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Leavened/Unleavened
aqrinc:
Yes beloved,
Right between the eyes (of understanding), once they are opened.
george. :)
mharrell08:
Email reply from Ray regarding the parables (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2322.0.html):
Dear Paul:
There are many lessons that can be gleened from the parables, but as I covered in one
of our Bible Conferences, they are also all the same in certain ways.
The parable of the wheat and the tares shows us two aspects of humanity. Those who
have value and those who are not useful. This is also the case with the dragnet. Good
fish and bad fish--keep the good throw away the bad. Etc.
And so the parables represent the good and the bad. Sometimes they emphasize the good
and sometimes they emphasize the bad, sometimes they just mention both, and sometimes there
is only one thing mentioned that REPRESENTS BOTH. This is the case with the leaven: if good,
it will leaven a whole lump to be used for something very holy and good as in Lev. 23:17, but it
can also be bad leaven used to leaven a whole lump for bad as in I Cor. 5:6.
God be with you,
Ray
Leaven can be used or symbolize good or bad...not only one or the other.
Lev 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD
1 Cor 5:6-8 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth
Late modification:
Here is an excerpt from 'The Sermon on the Mount is for You' (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm):
Here, being baptized (immersed) in fire [pur] is as important and beneficial as being baptized with God's Holy Spirit.
"Whose fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His [threshing] floor, and gather His wheat [wheat is good] into the garner, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:12).
Chaff is the bracts enclosing the good, mature wheat, which is removed during threshing-it has no value as food, and so is burned like the wood, hay, and stubble of I Cor. 3:12. The Elect are composed of both the valuable wheat and the worthless chaff, but we are not the tares. Notice that the chaff is "burned up... with unquenchable fire." If this "unquenchable fire" "burns up" the chaff, surely it cannot be eternal. Unquenchable has nothing to do with eternal. Unquenchable fires is Scriptures that are not allowed to be quenched before they are allowed to burn themselves out.
Winnowing Wheat
"He will gather His wheat... but He will burn up the chaff" (Matt. 3:12).
We are the wheat of Jesus' parable, and we have unwanted chaff surrounding our lives. Jesus is not likening some people to wheat and others to chaff. The wheat is not one group and the chaff another, but rather the unwanted chaff belongs to the desired wheat. The wheat is the baby and the chaff is the bath water. We do not throw away the baby with the bath water, but we do throw away the dirty bath water (in this analogy the bath water represents chaff which is burned in fire).
Thanks,
Marques
aqrinc:
Marques,
Thanks, all the parables concerning the (Kingdom Of The Heavens) in their own way, say the same thing.
Thanks for bringing up LOF 16 D3, i will go back and read that now. Yesterday was for LOF 16 Part E.
george. :)
EKnight:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on January 11, 2009, 04:57:01 PM ---
And so the parables represent the good and the bad. Sometimes they emphasize the good
and sometimes they emphasize the bad, sometimes they just mention both, and sometimes there
is only one thing mentioned that REPRESENTS BOTH. This is the case with the leaven: if good,
it will leaven a whole lump to be used for something very holy and good as in Lev. 23:17, but it
can also be bad leaven used to leaven a whole lump for bad as in I Cor. 5:6.
God be with you,
Ray[/color]
Leaven can be used or symbolize good or bad...not only one or the other.
Thanks,
Marques
--- End quote ---
Isn't that what I said with:
Hmmmm, sounds a little like you reap what you sow? For example, if I am infectious, that is, I can effect people around me, either with good or bad. That is the leaven. ??? ???
Eileen
Beloved:
Yes marques
Like Ray teaches, the parables are multi-dimensional, the sum of the word is true
Lev 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD
Notice that the meal with the leaven shall be passed through the fire...the wheat will be sanctified through the LOF
Now Go back to lev 23:13
(Lev 23:13) and the, meal-offering thereof shall be two-tenth parts of fine meal overflowed with oil, as an altar-flame unto Yahweh a satisfying odour,-and, the drink-offering thereof, shall be mine, the fourth of a hin.
This verse is talking about the barley offering....no leaven but the baking is a sweet savor...it is fine, broken and pulverized
The Scritpures set forth the three main feast days of Israel: Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Each of these called for temple ceremonies involving a different product of the harvest: barley, wheat, and grapes.
The first two are grain; the last is a fruit. These are harvest festivals at the three times in the year when all males were to stand before the presence (“face”) of God. These three festivals are prophetic of the “harvest of souls,” where the divine command goes forth for men to stand before God.
After they left Egypt the feasts were set on the calandar which started with the opening of the barley ears.
The wheat ripened later around the time of Pentecost. Just as barley was offered to God on the first day of the week after Passover, the wheat offered on Pentecost seven weeks later. This is made clear in Exodus 34:22, which reads,
Ex 34: 22 And you shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.
The grapes ripened at the end of the growing season, in late summer. The grapes were harvested and thrown into the winepresses to be trodden down, and the juice was collected. On each of the seven days of the feast of Tabernacles a pitcher of grape juice from this harvest was poured out before the Lord as a drink offering in the temple (Lev. 23:27).
Those who also belong to Christ, the Church in general, who are represented by the wheat in the fevstival will inherit the second resurrection.
These are portrayed in temple ceremony where the two loaves offered to God were first baked with leaven (Lev. 23:17). While leaven signifies sin (Exodus 12:15; Mark 8:15)the oil with the barley signifies the Holy Spirit
Barley is winnowed (Ruth 3:2); wheat is threshed (1 Chron. 21:20); and grapes are trodden under foot (Amos 9:13). Different methods are used for each, because one cannot remove chaff from wheat by winnowing. Neither can one thresh grapes. Neither does one thresh barley.
Now the chaff from barley grain comes off easily by using the wind (or a fan whenever there is not enough wind). This speaks of the elect, whose “chaff” (i.e, flesh nature of the body) falls off moret easily during life by the working of the “wind” (Spirit). They will qualify for life in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6).
The wheat (Church) takes more labor, for the chaff falls off only by threshing. These 'believers' qualify for life in the general resurrection (Rev. 20:11-15).
You also mentioned Mat 3:12 ...but did you notice the words
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Notice the word fan...that sounds like winnowing not threshing and the word wheat can be specific for wheat or general for any grain.
G4621 σῖτος sitos Thayer Definition: 1) wheat, grain
Part of Speech: noun masculine
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G4425 πτύον ptuon Thayer Definition: 1) a winnowing shovel
Part of Speech: noun neuter
The only one who sows is God and HE certainly will reap all of His creatures
There is no Good in man that he can infect anyone with The only thing that man is ever capable of was aptly nailed by Job
Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
Like Ray says..we are truely sinning machines
I cut some of this material this out of an old paper in a file in my documents on the feasts and it had no reference, it comes from the Jubille Book by Steven jone that I read many years in the past
beloved
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