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daywalker:
Wow, awesome stuff Beloved! I think this passage of Scripture fits well with your post:
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
- 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, King James
Daywalker.
--- Quote from: Beloved on January 11, 2009, 01:52:11 PM ---Ray's whole premise of his teachings is that the Bible is a parable ....so duh folks.... the kingdom is like.....
three measures of meal
mixed with leaven
Jesus said I am the Light I am the Bread I am Truth
Light dispels Darkness Truth dispels Error Bread feeds and Nourishes dispels hunger or want
Since you asked about bread lets look at what the scripture shows us
Note Matthew and Luke tell us but Mark makes no mention of this parable
Mat 13:33 Another simile spake he to them: `The reign of the heavens is like to leaven, which a woman having taken, hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.'
Luk 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman, having taken, did hide in three measures of meal , till that all was leavened.'
In the OT
When the Lord and Angels appeared to Abraham before Sodom was destroyed
Gen 18:6 And Abraham hasteth towards the tent, unto Sarah, and saith, `Hasten three measures of flour-meal, knead, and make cakes;'
Noticed hastened...no time like when Israel left Egypt they were told to prepare their bread
Exo 12:11 `And thus ye do eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand, and ye have eaten it in haste; it is Jehovah's passover, so now you see Sarah was serving the heavenlies...what else would they eat?
Leaven causes fermentation..a type of decomposition
There are three crops harvested...three feast : barley wheat and grapes
When leaven is added to these three ....fermentation occurs
Wait a second ??? ...barley does not ferment ....leaven has no effect
The few loaves of barley the boy had...the few and the many Only John mentions the type of bread in the miracles
Joh 6:9 There is one little lad here who hath five barley loaves, and two fishes, but these--what are they to so many?
Joh 6:13 they gathered together, therefore, and filled twelve hand-baskets with broken pieces, from the five barley loaves that were over to those having eaten]
The barley represents his elect....they were given grace..five, and will be broken into 12..number of foundation
(Mar 13:22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Even is is was possible to deceive (leaven) but it is not because God has sealed these
In Egypt during the exodus the barley was smitten so the passover bread they were making was wheat
(Exo 9:31) And the flax and the barley have been smitten, for the barley is budding, and the flax forming flowers,
(Exo 9:32) and the wheat and the rye have not been smitten, for they are late.
God was not going to let them eat leavened bread The bread they ate therefore HAD TO BE UNLEAVEN...in order for them to be delivered
Oh there are so many witnesses in the scriptures when like Ray says you read ALL the words, here is one in Elisha that I like
(2Ki 4:38) And Elisha hath turned back to Gilgal, and the famine is in the land, and the sons of the prophets are sitting before him, and he saith to his young man, `Set on the great pot, and boil pottage for the sons of the prophets.'
(2Ki 4:39) And one goeth out unto the field to gather herbs, and findeth a vine of the field, and gathereth of it gourds of the field--the fulness of his garment--and cometh in and splitteth them into the pot of pottage, for they knew them not;
(2Ki 4:40) and they pour out for the men to eat, and it cometh to pass at their eating of the pottage, that they have cried out, and say, `Death is in the pot, O man of God!' and they have not been able to eat.
(2Ki 4:41) And he saith, `Then bring ye meal;' and he casteth into the pot, and saith, `Pour out for the people, and they eat;' and there was no evil thing in the pot.
(2Ki 4:42) And a man hath come from Baal-Shalishah, and bringeth in to the man of God bread of first-fruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of grain in its husk, and he saith, `Give to the people, and they eat.'
the meal and bread represent the truth of God and dispels the “death in the pot”. This “meal”, no doubt, typically refers to the restoration of the truth concerning the life and earthly pathway of Jesus, which has been lost to sight more or less since the orthodox church established herself. The WOMAN has PUT the Leven in the three measures of the world.
The story of Ruth is a shadow of the marriage feast of the bride and Christ ..it all occurs in the barley harvest
(Ruth 3:2) and now, is not Boaz of our acquaintance, with whose young women thou hast been? lo, he is winnowing the threshing-floor of barley tonight,
(Rth 3:15) And he saith, `Give the covering which is on thee, and keep hold on it;' and she keepeth hold on it, and he measureth six measures of barley, and layeth it on her; and he goeth into the city.
(Rth 3:17) And she saith, `These six measures of barley he hath given to me, for he said, Thou dost not go in empty unto thy mother-in-law.'
(Rth 3:18) And she saith, `Sit still, my daughter, till thou dost know how the matter falleth, for the man doth not rest except he hath completed the matter today.'
Now to tie it all together
The first lesson in the Bible, is that “the evening and the morning were the first day”. The Hebrew root of the “evening” means “mixture” or “mingling together”, while that of the “morning” means “separation” or “distinguishing between
So the putting away of “leaven” (our thoughts, which are not God’s thoughts) means the receiving of His thoughts – for if you put away darkness, you cannot help but have light
The lesson this teaches is that those who are content with “mixture” of truth and error, are as certain to go on into darkness, as evening is to develop into night.
Those who come out of Babylon are like the dawn-light of the morning go on to the brightness of high noon -he is the Way to the Father .
So therfore let us be those who refuse mixture, “leaven” and darkness and remember that “he that is spiritual discerneth all things” (1 Cor. 2;15) and also that “in Him is no darkness at all” (1 John 1;5)
Leaven cause the the material to expand rise. and change nature
sounds a lot like ...attempt to resurrect by self
It is God that will resurrect not man
God does not want his Bread / Word corrupted
Eileen I am not sure what exactly you are looking for but I can tell you that there are many levels of spiritual meanings about leaven and that I have only touched on a few.
beloved
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mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Beloved on January 11, 2009, 07:46:55 PM ---
The Scritpures set forth the three main feast days of Israel: Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Each of these called for temple ceremonies involving a different product of the harvest: barley, wheat, and grapes.
The first two are grain; the last is a fruit. These are harvest festivals at the three times in the year when all males were to stand before the presence (“face”) of God. These three festivals are prophetic of the “harvest of souls,” where the divine command goes forth for men to stand before God.
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I am in agreement with your comments here of how the 3 feasts symbolize the harvest of souls...but here is where I am somewhat confused comparing what you wrote to the LOF #4
--- Quote from: Beloved on January 11, 2009, 07:46:55 PM ---
Those who also belong to Christ, the Church in general, who are represented by the wheat in the fevstival will inherit the second resurrection.
These are portrayed in temple ceremony where the two loaves offered to God were first baked with leaven (Lev. 23:17). While leaven signifies sin (Exodus 12:15; Mark 8:15)the oil with the barley signifies the Holy Spirit
Barley is winnowed (Ruth 3:2); wheat is threshed (1 Chron. 21:20); and grapes are trodden under foot (Amos 9:13). Different methods are used for each, because one cannot remove chaff from wheat by winnowing. Neither can one thresh grapes. Neither does one thresh barley.
Now the chaff from barley grain comes off easily by using the wind (or a fan whenever there is not enough wind). This speaks of the elect, whose “chaff” (i.e, flesh nature of the body) falls off moret easily during life by the working of the “wind” (Spirit). They will qualify for life in the first resurrection (Rev. 20:4-6).
The wheat (Church) takes more labor, for the chaff falls off only by threshing. These 'believers' qualify for life in the general resurrection (Rev. 20:11-15).
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Compared to LOF #4 (http://bible-truths.com/lake4.html):
In ancient Israel there were three times in the year when all men were to appear before God:
1. THE WAVE SHEAF (Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover): "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf OF the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest ... And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the FIRST year for a burnt offering unto the Lord" (Lev. 23:10-12).
COMMENT: This wave sheaf of the very first of the firstfruits is a type of our Lord Who was the perfect Lamb without blemish offered in the Spring on Passover. "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the FIRSTFRUIT of them that sleep" (I Cor. 15:20). Jesus is not the entire firstfruits but rather "the firstfruit OF them that sleep." He is the firstfruit OF the firstfruit or more precisely the "wave sheaf OF the firstfruits." Firstfruit is a term that pertains to agriculture and harvesting. It was never a theological term until introduced into the New Testament with regards to a small number who would be saved prior to a much larger number to be saved later.
2. THE FIRSTFRUITS (Feast of Weeks): "All the best of the oil , and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the FIRSTFRUITS of them which they shall offer unto the Lord, them have I given thee ... And whatsoever is FIRST RIPE in the land which they shall bring unto the Lord, shall be thine..." (Num. 18:12 & 13). "And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O Lord, has given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the Lord thy God" (Deut. 26:10).
COMMENT: The type in the New Testament of this Old Testament symbol is the Believer. Notice what James tells us, "Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of His creatures" (James 1:18). Now a very important point: How far down the road in prophecy can we go until we reach the end of the firstfruits? In Rev. 7:4-8 we read of the sealing of the 144,000. These are a different group from the great innumerable multitude, which no man could number, from every nation and tongue spoken of beginning in verse 9.
In Chapter 14:1 & 4 we are told specifically who these 144,000 are: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand [notice that the innumerable multitudes from all nations is not mentioned here] ... These are they which were not defiled with women, for they are virgins [as in the Bride of Christ]. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb" (Rev. 14:1 & 4). So every believer from the Apostles to the 144,000 just prior to the return of Jesus Christ to establish His reign on the earth, is called and likened to FIRSTFRUITS! So what does this have to do with the lake of fire? EVERYTHING! Everyone saved before the Day of Judging is likened to firstfruits, so there will be no more firstfruits after the white throne judgment.
Paul tells us in Rom. 8:23, "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit..." Nowhere do we read of the "LASTFRUITS," but whenever something is FIRST we also know there is something to follow. Nor are there any references to any "ONLYFRUITS." The firstfruits are clearly not the ONLY fruits! Follow this very closely now, for you are in for a big shock when you understand the type in the fall festival of Tabernacles—the great fall harvest.
3. THE END-OF-THE-YEAR FEAST OF INGATHERING (Feast of Tabernacles): "And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou has sown in the field and the FEAST OF INGATHERING, which is in the END OF THE YEAR, when you have gathered in thy labours out of the field" (Ex. 23:16).
"Thou shall observe the FEAST OF TABERNACLES seven [number of perfection] days, after that you have gathered in your corn and your wine: And you shall REJOICE IN YOUR FEAST, you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the widow, that are within your gates [that’s just about EVERYONE, wouldn’t you say?]. Seven days [here’s that perfect number again] shall you keep A SOLEMN FEAST [a very important feast to God] unto the LORD your God in the place which the Lord shall choose: because the Lord thy God shall bless you in all your increase, and in all the works of your hands, therefore you shalt surely REJOICE" (Deut. 16:13-15). Here truly was a festival in which EVERYONE, every single person in all Israel, and also did you notice, "the STRANGER" who was NOT an Israelite could really REJOICE! THIS FESTIVAL WAS THE HAPPIEST TIME OF THE YEAR! Do we think it will have no fulfillment in God’s grand plan of salvation?
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, the fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the FEAST OF TABERNACLES for seven days unto the LORD. On the first day shall be an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein. Seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the EIGHTH DAY shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by FIRE unto the LORD: it is a SOLEMN assembly; and you shall do no servile work therein" (Lev. 23:34-36). Why is the profound and marvelous truth of this festival not taught in its proper chronological order by the prophets of Christendom? How is it even possible to avoid seeing the powerful and glorious consummation of God’s salvation in this Fall Harvest Festival? Why is the truth of this GREAT FEAST being hidden from the eyes of the world? What is it that they are trying to hide from us? God’s Word will show us.
1. The wave sheaf, which uses barley, represents Christ...the firstfruit of the firstfruit. But you stated above that it represents the elect.
2. The first fruits represent the elect/chosen and are of wheat. But you stated above that it represents the church who will be in the 2nd resurrection.
3. The chaff (flesh) spoken of on the wheat in Matt. 3:12 is said to be burned [judgment through fire] not winnowed or threshed.
Here is another excerpt from the LOF #4:
First comes the wave sheaf, the very first of the firstfruits, on Passover, during the feast of unleavened bread. This represents CHRIST, the very first (wave sheaf) OF the firstfruit, our Passover sacrificed for us.
Second was the Feast of Weeks when the firstfruit of the land was harvested. This represents US, the FIRSTFRUIT to enter God’s Kingdom. James says WE are the firstfruit of God (James 1:18).
Third came the great Fall harvest, the Feast of Tabernacles, a much much larger gathering, where ALL THE FALL HARVEST was gathered in! What does this Feast picture? This was the time of true REJOICING FOR EVERYONE. Absolutely EVERYONE. No one was left out of this great and final festival of the year:
As well as LOF 16-D3 (http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm):
Here, being baptized (immersed) in fire [pur] is as important and beneficial as being baptized with God's Holy Spirit.
"Whose fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His [threshing] floor, and gather His wheat [wheat is good] into the garner, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:12).
Chaff is the bracts enclosing the good, mature wheat, which is removed during threshing-it has no value as food, and so is burned like the wood, hay, and stubble of I Cor. 3:12. The Elect are composed of both the valuable wheat and the worthless chaff, but we are not the tares. Notice that the chaff is "burned up... with unquenchable fire." If this "unquenchable fire" "burns up" the chaff, surely it cannot be eternal. Unquenchable has nothing to do with eternal. Unquenchable fires is Scriptures that are not allowed to be quenched before they are allowed to burn themselves out.
Winnowing Wheat
"He will gather His wheat... but He will burn up the chaff" (Matt. 3:12).
We are the wheat of Jesus' parable, and we have unwanted chaff surrounding our lives. Jesus is not likening some people to wheat and others to chaff. The wheat is not one group and the chaff another, but rather the unwanted chaff belongs to the desired wheat. The wheat is the baby and the chaff is the bath water. We do not throw away the baby with the bath water, but we do throw away the dirty bath water (in this analogy the bath water represents chaff which is burned in fire).
Sorry to have such a long post, but Ray teaches it better than I can explain it.
Marques
Beloved:
Yes I can see the confusion
the wheat and the chaff metafor is correct...this is on the individual level,
The three feasts is talking about the grains/fruit on the higher level.
It is a little like the use of the numbers 10 and 1000
The scriptures can speak on multiple levels, in the physical you are an individual, a member of a country and a member the human race.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
(Each person is going to be in a group, and the all of the different ages are going to procede also in an order
Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last).
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
The way I read this is with a comma, Christ, firstfuits an after that they that are Christs at his coming The verse before talks about all and the verse that follows goes on to judgement of all and submitting it to the father.
regarding firstfruits , the elect are called this
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
Jas 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Right now the elect who are alive have
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
I also agree that Christ is also represented in the Old testament...This is on a still higher level, He is the Passover, the Wave sheaf and Tabernacle . I will have to develop this later. I have to go bed and get up and go to work in four hours.
I do not think we are seeing things that differently, it is just a different perspective.
beloved
aqrinc:
Hi Rodger,
That is really the whole story isn't it, ??? separating from (me, my, i); and focus on
contending for The Faith once delivered to the saints.
Jeremiah 11: 6-9
6-Then the LORD said to me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the
streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear you the words of this covenant, and do them.
7-For I earnestly protested to your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the
land of Egypt, even to this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
8-Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of
their evil heart: therefore I will bring on them all the words of this covenant, which I
commanded them to do: but they did them not.
9-And the LORD said to me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among
the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Jude 1:3:
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you of the common salvation, it was needful
for me to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith
which was once delivered to the saints.
george. :)
Falconn003:
--- Quote from: aqr on January 12, 2009, 09:54:05 PM ---
Hi Rodger,
That is really the whole story isn't it, ??? separating from (me, my, i); and focus on
contending for The Faith once delivered to the saints.
Jeremiah 11: 6-9
6-Then the LORD said to me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the
streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear you the words of this covenant, and do them.
7-For I earnestly protested to your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the
land of Egypt, even to this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.
8-Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of
their evil heart: therefore I will bring on them all the words of this covenant, which I
commanded them to do: but they did them not.
9-And the LORD said to me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among
the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Jude 1:3:
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write to you of the common salvation, it was needful
for me to write to you, and exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith
which was once delivered to the saints.
george. :)
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Spot on George with the Scriptures.
Simply separating Spiritualy, the me from the I Am...... :)
Rodger
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