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judith collier:
hillsborovive, yes, I do believe Paul was trying to get across the fact it was difficult balancing the work of the Lord and ministry. Just for the record I did call this an idea and not a commandment. One place I differ with you unless you show me the truth is motivation of the heart. Do you have proof that the Church FORBADE marriage due to riches and inheritance. I personally don't care one way or the other just always VERY careful making statements WHERE people are coming from. Actually, that was a good idea too, only a wrong motive if true but then again one does have to protect their property. I would hate to think my children's inheritance was going out to the masses. In all good objective thought and love, Judy
judith collier:
Deftarchangel, if I might say you are rather troubled over something that is minor(to me) but most assuredly not to you. I can't nor can most people get across to someone else WHAT to do. Here's what (I) would do, just tell the person" I am not comfortable calling you FATHER" period(!) because of beliefs you have. If you want to present the FACTS about why and they ask, then tell them. Most people, ministers, priests, etv. will respect you. Don't worry so much!! with love, Judy
aqrinc:
Hi Rob,
Check out this Thread, different subject but similar type of questions and counsel.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9031.msg75396.html#msg75396
george. :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Judy on January 17, 2009, 02:28:11 PM ---
Do you have proof that the Church FORBADE marriage due to riches and inheritance.
--- End quote ---
Hi Judy,
It is always good to question, search and seek and not accept everything we hear or read. Actually you can find references to this particular matter all over the Internet or at your library. The sins of the church(es) are plentiful and certainly not limited to only Catholics.
The following is from a former nun, Mary Ann Collins;
http://www.catholicconcerns.com/index.html
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.brace/1papal.htm
"Pope Gregory VII reigned from 1073 to 1085. At that time, many Catholic priests were married. Kings and noblemen donated property to the Roman Catholic Church in exchange for the faithful service of priests. Some priests tried to leave this property to their heirs. In addition they had loyalty to the noblemen who provided them with homes. In order to protect Church property, and to ensure that the loyalty of the priests went to the Pope, and not to secular rulers, Pope Gregory abolished clerical marriage. He passed laws requiring that priests be celibate, and he got rid of married priests.
In 1089, by passing a decree, the Synod of Melfi (under Pope Urban II) turned the wives of married priests into church property. The priests were put into prison, and their wives were sold into slavery. Their children were sold into slavery, or else abandoned."
Peace,
Joe
judith collier:
hey Joe, it's all Jesus's fault, he picked men as apostles!! (kidding) Yes, I knew some (but not that many) popes were rascals. I can believe they instituted the forbidden marriage ban for their own power and wealth. I think the kind of person I am doesn't help me at times. I tend to overlook the bad and focus on the good. Consequently I appear naive' and missing the whole scenario. There is one question though, just because Jesus or someone else(forgot who) said the bishop should have one wife doesn't translate for me, "you HAVE to have a wife. You're a nice guy Joe!!!! Easy to discuss things with. Judy
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