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Paul's contradiction of Jesus?
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Pinko
Ray has said that most of his emails he receives are questions on contradictions. We know that the carnal mind sees contradiction. The spiritual mind sees the mystery of God's Plan and Purpose to cause His transformation of us into His Son. The way that God does this is expounded throughout the teachings here in Bible Truths (BT)
What is of concern to me is that there are seductive teachers outside of BT who's conclusions that Paul is a deception appointed by God in His Plan is not what is taught here in BT. Paul is seen as a spiritual giant here in BT and not as a spiritual deception.
As Jesus said, render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Non can serve two masters.
Does Jesus contradict Himself?
Arc
pinko:
George— If not for treason, why then did Rome crucify him?
23-And the governor said, Why, what evil has he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
24-When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see you to it.
Are you saying Pilate believed he was innocent yet crucified him anyway? If so, then his “washing of the hands” was a farce.. Of course he would have been 100% responsible for the death of an innocent man as he both knew it was evil, and had it in his power to stop it. And did not.
I’m not “finding a contradiction”, only an apparent contradiction... Kind of like when Ray sees in Genesis that God “brought a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy ALL FLESH, wherein is the breath of life from under heaven and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die”… it doesn’t yet contradict his belief that it was only a local flood, and in fact not all flesh died.
We’re supposed to be dividing the spiritual from the physical here, right?
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---I'm an anarchist, as I believe Jesus was (and is)..
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Hello Pinko,
If by definition you live your life by this insertion into your post(anarchist),me thinks that the Spiritual condensation that we all seek here is missing.The Father is most certainly in charge of everything that Jesus had to endure through His commission while walking and ministering,as is our Father in charge and responsible for the entirety of all things. As has been said so many times here in the past,when one starts to see the Spiritual in place of the carnal the process is so enlightening that one wants to scream for joy,wanting to yell it from the the roof tops ;D.
When the times come to me (and there are many) that I cant quite put my finger on a verse or scripture, that is the time I put on my Spiritual thinking cap and to remember that it is Spirit that really matters, and not the physical.It seems that once one starts to understand Spirit,and believe me, I have much yet to understand,then, and only then, does one start to understand what to be free is all about :)
Peace...Mark
Deborah-Leigh:
Perhaps this will explain it better for you Pinko
In statement (1) the editor of Strong’s cites seven more Scriptures that are used symbolically and figuratively to demonstrate "the holiness of God, which CONSUMES ALL that is inconsistent therewith." It doesn’t consume their physical bodies, nor does it burn their physical bodies to produce pain, but it "CONSUMES" all that is not consistent with God’s holiness. And these are the things of the heart, mind and spirit! It is not the "body" that needs chastisement and purification, it is the MIND, HEART, AND SPIRIT that needs purification from unholiness. You cannot burn pride and vanity out of one’s heart with REAL FIRE (besides the advocates of torturing with real fire for all eternity admit that it accomplishes NOTHING). It takes the fire of God’s spirit to burn away evils that have their origin in the realm of spirit.http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html
Arc
pinko:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 18, 2009, 01:57:31 AM ---Hi Pinko
Ray has said that most of his emails he receives are questions on contradictions. We know that the carnal mind sees contradiction. The spiritual mind sees the mystery of God's Plan and Purpose to cause His transformation of us into His Son. The way that God does this is expounded throughout the teachings here in Bible Truths (BT)
What is of concern to me is that there are seductive teachers outside of BT who's conclusions that Paul is a deception appointed by God in His Plan is not what is taught here in BT. Paul is seen as a spiritual giant here in BT and not as a spiritual deception.
As Jesus said, render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. Non can serve two masters.
Does Jesus contradict Himself?
Arc
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First, I do not think Paul is anything less than a 'spiritual giant' myself. I'm just not so sure that everything that was attributed to Paul was actually said by Paul. As Ray has aptly pointed out, there's been some tinkering with the scriptures over the years... I choose to look at the Bible as a whole--and it should be consistant as a whole. When something doesn't seem to fit, I have to question whether 'I'm reading it right'... After all, my disdain for the concept of an eternal hell and my failure to see how it could be biblical at all is how I stumbled onto this site in the first place. So, some things are not as they seem, no?
But to answer your question---no, I don't think Jesus contradicts himself at all when he said to "render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's. No one can serve two masters."
In fact, I take that quite literally. I think Jesus meant exactly what he said...Obviously, since no man CAN serve two masters, any who would serve Jesus, could not also serve Caesar! Further, since "all the world is the Lord's and everything in it", I reckon we should be "rendering" all to God, and nothing to Caesar.. Which is precisely what Jesus in effect said.
Matter of fact, this 'render unto Caesar' thing needs to be destroyed once and for all. It has been so misconstrued and purposely twisted, it is now being held to teach the exact opposite of what was intended. I hope Ray will take this matter up one day with the same vigor as he dismantled the eternal hell error.
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