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Akira329:
--- Quote from: Shane. on January 21, 2009, 04:51:27 PM ---What should I, as twenty year old student devoted to Christ, be doing?
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Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Also do these things:
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
1Pe 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
1Pe 3:10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
1Pe 3:11 Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
1Pe 5:6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
Hey Shane,
I can not specifically tell you what you should be doing, I've certainly have had feelings of just getting away from it all!
But how much are you getting away from in the wilderness, the desert, the forest. Its still you with your carnel mind!
Our mind must change not our position on the earth.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Scripture is full of instructions on what to do, but not by the work of your hands can any of these things come to pass.
Remember this:
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Hope this helps you!
Antaiwan
pinko:
Just wanted everyone to know that Shane is not me 'in pseudonym'... ;)
Shane: I hear you, bro...
Might want to check out this thread:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9170.0.html
Great questions, btw.. I wish I'd have thought more about these things when I was your age.. Also, I can vouch for the fact that you can live 'off the grid' so to speak. It's a hard life; I'm not sure it's what Christ intends for us (yet perhaps it is); but it is possible.
Do let us know if and what Ray replies to your very thoughtful query.
Peace.
aqrinc:
Hi Shane,
You will need a cram course on what this fight is all about, so here is my suggestion. It
seem you have taken on a large task; take an hour or so and read this paper from Ray:
Small excerpt from: http://bible-truths.com/lake13.html
THE LAKE OF FIRE - Part XIII
WHO IS THE BEAST?
This installment of "The Lake of Fire" will possibly be the very most shocking to most of my readers. That everyone wants to know "WHO IS THE BEAST," there is no doubt. That most will be totally shocked and dumbfounded when they find out, there also is no doubt.
If any wish to stop right here and search another site for a milder and more palatable interpretation of "Who is the beast," there is no shortage of material. My Web Master has found on the four or five most popular search engines, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of papers on "The Beast of Revelation." And, NO, I haven’t read one of them.
THE BEASTS OF REVELATION
The word "beast(s)" is found 356 times in the King James Bible—59 times in Revelation alone. Most of these beasts are literal four-footed animals, albeit, all 59 of the beasts in Revelation are symbols for something other than four-footed animals. The four beasts made reference to 7 times in the singular from Rev. 4:6 to 6:7 should be translated "living creatures" and not "beasts." And all references to "beasts" in the plural (15 times) from Rev. 4:6 to Rev. 19:4 should be also translated "living creatures," with the exception of Rev. 6:8 and 18:13 where "beast" is correct.
george. :)
Linny:
Oh, Shane! To be that young again with such wonderful knowledge! ;D You are, in my older and now finally wiser opinion, filled with a wild hair that comes with your wonderful youth! I completely understand your need to come out of the world's systems. My husband and I were hugely into politics for years and now we see it for what it is and we stay out of it.
Jesus stayed out of it too.
As Ray wisely said, "A true follower of Jesus cannot be involved in politics. Jesus certainly did not take part in any such worldly activities.
I am an "Ambassador for Christ" (I Cor 5:20). Ambassadors cannot legally take part in the politics of foreign nations. Jesus never, ever got involved in the operations of the Roman Government over the Jews. We are never taught to "march on Washington," etc. But we are told to COME OUT OF THE WORLD and be separate. "Let the DEAD bury the dead."
In my days of being your age and into my 30's, I told too much, too soon,to too many people! ::) :-\
I hope I don't sound like a granny here because, believe me, I know EXACTLY how you feel!
I just want to lend you my experience not just with life, but with learning all this new information. We all have SO much to learn before we'll be able to handle sharing it and we first have to realize that God does not desire we share it with everyone anyway. He'll let you know when you need to!
I think we can come out of the world in our hearts and in many ways without being too radical. Well, we are considered radical in some ways but we don't see it that way! 8)
Read, read, read. Study, study, study. You are in such a unique position to be learning this so young. Be a sponge and let God show you what He wants from you in His perfect timing.
Blessings, Lin
Shane.:
Hi again everyone. Great responses!
@pinko: Love the name :D I read many of the posts from the discussion you linked and I would take your side on most points. I would differ in that rather than calling myself an anarchist I would call myself a Christian. That does mean, however, that I claim no allegiance to any man or man-made form of government upon this earth. My allegiance is to Christ and his kingdom that is not of this world.
@george: Just read through the article and enjoyed it thoroughly however I could not agree with it completely. This interpretation of the beast is new to me but does seem valid. It's just that after several readings of Revelation and a few in-depth studies I refuse to believe that any one interpretation can be privileged to the others. I believe the book serves multiple purposes. For example, I have read one study that claimed the book of Revelation was written by John to strengthen the resolve of the early church under persecution. That the anti-Christ spoken of (or maybe not :) ) was the current emperor of Rome and that the mark was the homage one had to pay to Caesar before entering Roman markets. I believe that God was smart enough to write a book that could serve multiple purposes.
My take on the beast...
"And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great IS FALLEN, IS FALLEN, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities" (Rev. 18:5).
To me, the wine that all nations have drank from is western civilization. The inherent materialism and gluttony found in western civilization is responsible for the continued destruction of creation. It has been spread to all nations of the world and continues to corrupt.
@Linny: I do know that many have hardened their hearts. Instead of getting red in the face arguing with people I have learned it is better to lead by example... a glass can only spill what it contains! As for the wild hair, maybe you're right. Then again, Christ did command his adult followers to become like children.
On a similar note, does anyone know why John the Baptist himself lived in the wilderness? I mean, I know that the voice in the wilderness was a fulfillment of prophecy but I also think that there is a reason that a voice from the wilderness set the stage for Christ. I wonder if John too felt the need to escape from Rome and her gluttony.
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