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Did Jesus Preach in Hades?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: jacobbsladdr on April 07, 2009, 12:44:04 PM ---For some reason I confused. I get the gist of the phrases below but I'm having a a hard time understanding the phrases at the same time. (I hope I'm not confusing anyone w/my question). I understand what an age is an also know what a eon is.. but the phrases below I'm having a hard time digesting the usage.
what does shall not die - "to the Age" mean, or shall in anyway die, "unto times age-abiding" and by no means be "dying for the eon"
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Young's Literal Translation:
and every one who is living and believing in me shall not die -- to the age;
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible:
And, no one who liveth again and believeth on me, shall in anywise die, unto times age-abiding. Believest thou this?
Concordant Literal New Testament:
And everyone who is living and believing in Me, should by no means be dying for the eon. Are you believing this?"
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Those believing in Christ (the Elect) will not 'be dying' for the next eon, the Day of the Lord.
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Marques
Deborah-Leigh:
There is a Judgement on the House of God now. Those in this Judgement who overcome, and who are the righteous not the wicked, these are the Elect who's "time of delivery from this world's ills, takes place at the unveiling of Jesus Christ which is in the Day of the Lord. " quote from Exposing the "Secret Rapture"
As Marques notes in the Scriptures, it is these Elect who shall not be harmed or receive the wrath of indignation upon them because to them, is appointed REST after our trials.
Ref : http://bible-truths.com/rapture.htm
And when did Peter teach that we would receive rest and glory for enduring the testing?
"... that the testing of your faith, much more precious than gold which is perishing, yet, being tested by fire, may be found for applause and glory and honor AT THE UNVEILING OF JESUS CHRIST" (I Pet. 1:7).
Arc
Kat:
Hi Jacobbsladdr,
Here are a few excerpts that I think might help from the article 'The Origin of Eternal Punisment.'
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html -----------------
Notice how the King James and many modern Bibles translate the following verse:
"And whosoever lives and believes in Me shall NEVER DIE. Believe you this?" (John 11:26).
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If you have e-Sword, you can see that the word translated "never" is the translation of three Greek words, not just one. Does it really take three Greek words to represent our English word "never?" No it doesn’t.
The Greek word oudeic means "not ever, none, nought" as in when Peter said to Jesus, "I will NEVER [#3762--oudeic] be offended" (Matt. 26:33). This word is translated "never" dozens of times in Scripture. However, in John 11:26 where we read "shall NEVER die," the word "never" is the singular word translation of three Greek words, not one of them being #3762, oudeic."
So what," you say? So maybe it behooves us to see just what Greek words God used in this verse, that’s what. This is one of those huge translation errors. This verse as recorded in the King James flat out contradicts God’s statement back in the Garden, that’s why.
The word "never" in John 11:26 is translated from:
#3364 = oume, "a double negative; not at all, neither, never, nor ever."
#1519 = ice, "to, into, throughout, for."
#165 = aion, "age."
BELIEVERS DO NOT DIE FOR THE EON
Notice how more responsible translators have rendered this verse:
"…should by NO means BE DYING for the EON." (Concorant Literal New Testament). There is no phrase, "shall NEVER die."
"…NOT ever shall DIE to THE AGE." (Jay P. Green: Interlinear Greek-English New Testament—from the Interlinear, not the translation). There is no phrase, "shall NEVER die."
"…NO one living and believing in Me, shall DIE to the AGE." (Emphatic Diaglott). There is no phrase, "shall NEVER die."
"…shall in ANYWISE DIE unto times AGE-abiding." (Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible). There is no phrase, "shall NEVER die."
For sure, "All have sinned… the wages of sin is death… in Adam all die."
However, those "in Christ… should by no means be dying for the eon." And the reason is simple and Scriptural:
"…that He should give eonian life to as many as You have given Him" (John 17:2)
And that:
"all which He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (John 6:39).
Yes, we shall all die, but not for or through the eon. We will be raised and reign with Christ through the coming millennial eon (and beyond—"Know you not that we shall judge the world" (I Cor. 6:2).
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Paul tells us is our only hope of ever living again after we die.
So do we enter eternal life upon death, as Christendom teaches? NO, let’s read it:
"So also is the resurrection of the DEAD [notice please, that nowhere in Scripture does it speak of the Christian doctrine of the resurrection of the LIVING, or of the resurrection of the BODY], it is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a SPIRITUAL body… the first Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [that would be Jesus] was made a quickening [living] SPIRIT" (I Cor. 15:42-46)
Not a quickening PHYSICAL body.
Notice that we are first made a "natural body." Adam (and all of his children—that’s US), did not have an "immortal soul," did he? His body was a "natural" body. Only Jesus was made a "living SPIRIT." It says so right here. Can the natural man with a natural body of flesh and blood ever enter into the Kingdom of God? "…flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God" (Ver. 50). Does the orthodox Christian Church teach that we will have PHYSICAL BODIES in the Kingdom of God? Yes, yes they do—but then again, none of their doctrines are from the Scriptures. "It is raised [from the dead] a SPIRITUAL BODY" (Ver. 44).
Do these verses contradict the verses we have been reading in John 6? No, of course not. But didn’t John 6:50 say, "…that a man may eat thereof [of Christ], and NOT DIE?" The Believing Elect of God will not die as did the fathers in the wilderness who ate NOT of that true Bread from heaven. The answer is that we will "not die FOR THE EON" (John 11:26), because we have "eternal [eonian] life in us" (John 6:54).
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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