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Did Jesus Preach in Hades?
musicman:
Sometimes when I'm teaching I feel that I'm preaching in hades. I say something and I get some blank deer in the headlights gaze. I think man, I'm preaching to the dead.
aqrinc:
Musicman,
I hesitate to ask; which compartment ???.
george. :)
daywalker:
--- Quote from: musicman on January 23, 2009, 07:18:26 PM ---Sometimes when I'm teaching I feel that I'm preaching in hades. I say something and I get some blank deer in the headlights gaze. I think man, I'm preaching to the dead.
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Lol Musicman,
I feel that way when I'm having 'bible talk' with my mom. That's NOT a knock against her, it's just when I tell her stuff, and I show her the Scriptures, she sees it, and she gets it.. But then next week, we're having the same discussion all over again. Probably due to the fact that she continues to go to church every Sunday, then she asks me about what they 'taught' her, and I again I show her the Scriptures that refute what they 'taught' her, and she gets it... but then next week happens...
Round and round we go... ::) :D
Daywalker
Deborah-Leigh:
Jesus did not die at the cross and come alive somewhere else to preach to unressurected souls of the dead from the days of Noah or anywhere else. When Jesus was dead He was dead and not alive somewhere else.
Noah built the arc because he believed and obeyed God. Disobedience does not believe or obey God.
Peters usage of the word prison denotes disobedience. By example, Noah displayed the faith in God that was rejected through disobedience. This disobedience personifies bondage to sin.
Christ is the God of the OT. There are many teachings here in BT that expound this truth. Christ spoke to Moses and has spoken through the prophets and is the same Spirit that exhibited obedience to God through Noah that spoke to the disobedient ridiculing unbelievers during the days of Noah.
References:
Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!
He is THE GOD OF THE BIBLE!
Jesus Christ is the ONLY REVELATION OF GOD THAT WE HAVE.
Even the Holy Spirit we all have comes from God THROUGH Jesus Christ.
Jesus is that Comforter, that Spirit.
Our Saviour and our Brother.
The Son of God.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html Re: Nashville Conference 2007
Most all Christian theologians would claim to believe the first statement of Scriptural Truth that I present below, especially when I cite a Scripture verse with it, but they will then contradict and refuse to teach the second statement of Truth.
Do they believe Christ really died for the sins of the world? Yes.
But do they teach that Jesus Christ was dead when they placed Him in the tomb? No.
http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
Back to our Scripture, second part of Rom. 10:9, "…that God has raised Him from the DEAD?" Do you believe that? Do you really? Or do you believe as orthodoxy does that Jesus (Himself) NEVER DIED! That’s right. Jesus Christ (the REAL Jesus) Himself, is said to have never died. Theologians teach that only His body died. That Jesus Himself was not DEAD, but was rather on a preaching mission, somewhere in a place called Hell, during the time He was supposed to be dead, and was supposed to be in the heart of the earth, and was supposed to be fulfilling the sign of Jonah, and was supposed to be paying for the sins of the world by suffering death, and supposed to be fulfilling prophecy, all in accord with what His Father ordained for Him to do. Do you believe "JESUS" died or that only His "body" died?
http://bible-truths.com/lake5.html
Arc
Deborah-Leigh:
Here is what our dictionaries tell us: "death, n. 1. the act of dying; the termination of life. 2. The state of being dead. 3. The cause of dying" (American Heritage College Dictionary). This is really important to remember. The word death denotes an ACT, STATE, & CAUSE. It will be nothing but confusion if we do not keep all three of these in mind when dealing with the abolition of "death."
All three of these definitions are true in actual fact. One is no more true than the others. So when God tells us that "the last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH" (I Cor. 15:26), it must include every and all aspects of what death really is. Death will no longer be the cause of anyone going through death in the act of dying, neither will there be any more dead people in the final state of death. But will Christians accept the abolition (or destruction) of the ACT of death, the CAUSE of death, and the STATE of death, as representing what Jesus Christ will, literally and spiritually "destroy?" No, of course not.
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Now get ready for a real revelation. There are two mysteries in Heb. 9:27 when applied to God's Elect:
what and when is the "ONCE to die?"
what and when is the "after this JUDGMENT?"
We will take up the Elect's Judgment part of this verse first.
We learned that Gehenna fire, and unquenchable fire, and eonian fire, and the furnace of fire, and being salted with fire, and the lake of fire, are all the same fire, and this fire is JUDGMENT. Now then, since the lake of fire is judgment, and the lake of fire "is" also the second death, if follows that the second death also "is" judgment. THE SECOND DEATH IS JUDGMENT, AND JUDGMENT IS THE SECOND DEATH.
Had God wanted to make things easy, He could have inspirited Heb. 9:27 to read like this: "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the SECOND death."
For that is what the second death is, JUDGMENT. Likewise then, Judgment is the SECOND death. After the ONCE to die comes the SECOND to die. Or: After the FIRST death comes the SECOND death. Simple enough when God gives us eyes to see. But there is still an enigma about this verse that we will cover a little later.
GOD'S ELECT MUST DIE THE SECOND DEATH THROUGH JUDGMENT
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm
Perhaps with the information above might give you a little more understanding about death. For a more indepth study you will need to meditate on the teachings from which the above excerpt is quoted.
Arc
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