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Myths and Endless Genealogies
Samson:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on January 25, 2009, 06:07:42 AM ---
THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT IS FOR CHRIST'S DISCIPLES
THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT IS FOR YOU, NOW!
YOU NOW speaks VOLUMES!
CHRIST'S JUDGMENTS ARE UPON US, NOT THE WORLD
We know that Judgment teaches us His Rigteousness which is such a blessing and privilage. It is not a negative hostile outcome that results from the Judgement of our Lord that brings us to understand and know Him better.
I love what is written in LOF Part 3
GOD IS LOVE
GOD IS SOVEREIGN
CHRIST’S WORDS ARE SPIRIT
MAN’S WILL IS NOT FREE AND INDEPENDENT OF GOD
THE GREEK WORD ‘AIONIOS’ NEVER MEANS ETERNAL
GOD WILLS TO SAVE ALL MANKIND
GOD WILL PERFORM ALL HIS WILL
These seven spiritual truths will protect you from all unscriptural and heretical teachings. And as you mature in Christ Jesus our Lord, you will only be required to understand and believe one of the above spiritual truths. That would be the first one which covers ALL: GOD IS LOVE !
Arc
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Very Good Arcturus,
Would like to add this excerpt from Rays Free Will is an Oxymoron Transcript.
It narrows it down to the basic problems with Christendom Theology that
leads to all the other misunderstandings. (See Below)
‘FREE WILL’ IS AN OXYMORON
[Free-will is a self-contradicting term]
What is the two biggest errors in Christian theology, knowing every thing you know? Now this is my opinion, you may come up with different things, that‘s fine. But I’m going to give you what I think are the two biggest errors where they go wrong. Because to me all the major problems with Christian theology fall under these two major errors of their teaching.
1) The sovereignty of God: They do not understand or believe in the sovereignty of God. If they did, you would automatically throw free will to the wind.
But God could be sovereign and still torture people in hell for all eternity. It just means there is no greater power than God.
Nobody can thwart, intervene, change, mutilate, screw up God’s plan! He’s totally sovereign!
But still if He wanted to, He could torture people for all eternity in hell. So there is a second area.
2) Judgment is not eternal: I worded it specifically that way, for a purpose. I didn’t say there is no eternal hell. I said JUDGMENT is not eternal, or we could turn it around and say judgment is temporary.
Those two doctrines. Those are the two major problems with Christiandom.
They do not believe that God is totally and completely in charge of everything. And number 2, they diminish God’s love and everything else, by suggesting that judgment is eternal. That God would judge and punish and torture people for all eternity, it’s obscene.
Kind Regards, Samson.
Deborah-Leigh:
That is a very valuable addition Samson.
There is GREAT Comfort in believing and being reassured that our trials and tribulations, griefs and birth pangs will END! It is most important, edifying and encouraging to know that quote : JUDGMENT is not eternal....
Arc
Ninny:
I keep saying it over and over that God is in control of EVERYTHING! If He were not sovereign He couldn't be in control and if He wasn't in control He couldn't be sovereign! You know these are things they just don't teach you in the Christian world! They teach that He is sovereign and that He's in control, but funny how they never put it together! So much of it is lip service! It's like "God is in control, BUT..." God is sovereign, BUT..." as if something we could do diminishes God's ability to conduct the affairs of men!
And as you said GOD IS LOVE!! That explains why He does what He does! That should be a "No brainer" BUT Christianity wants to have us to believe that God is Love, BUT...There are no BUTs with God.
Kathy :)
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: aqr on January 24, 2009, 11:17:38 PM ---
The Apostles were battling teachers of false doctrine very soon after Christianity was born.
According to the Scriptures: myths and endless genealogies, useless discussion rather than
promoting the Faith. How do we avoid those same mistakes today; seeing that there is so
much misinformation and disinformation everywhere we turn.
All of us were rescued from where we were thoroughly indoctrinated in some huMan's Religion.
One thing i have noticed though is that we mostly want to put a fresh coat of paint on the
old and fit it neatly into BT.
I hope this is not considered teaching because that is not my aim. Instead just asking why
should we try to hang on to any of the stuff that that we were snatched out of. Now we
know; through Rays writings and audios plus some of the scales have been removed from
our eyes; what is the fascination with going back to being Spiritually Dead.
Ok off the horse, but i would really like to hear from other members how the Scriptures
below and my little essay above affects your thinking or not.
1st Timothy: 1: 3-6 (GOD'S WORD Bible)
3-When I was going to the province of Macedonia, I encouraged you to stay in the city of
Ephesus. That way you could order certain people to stop teaching false doctrine
4-and occupying themselves with myths and endless genealogies. These myths and genealogies
raise a lot of questions rather than promoting God's plan, which centers in faith.
5-My goal in giving you this order is for love to flow from a pure heart, from a clear conscience,
and from a sincere faith.
6-Some people have left these qualities behind and have turned to useless discussions.
george. :)
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--- Quote ---Instead just asking why
should we try to hang on to any of the stuff that that we were snatched out of.
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E-mail reply from Brother Ray. Hope it helps.
Dear Mike: Do not become discouraged because you are not yet where you desire to be spiritually in your life. God works differently with different people. We see it in our daily lives and the the lives of those in the Scriptures. It took over three years before the Apostles were converted, yet Saul/Paul submitted to God almost instantly after his calling.
God be with you,
Ray
Phil3:10:
To all.
As Arc so rightly said, "Judgement is not eternal." Ray has often said that judgement can be good. I have just finished the book of Micah
and would encourage all to spend a little time in this little book. In brief, Micah tells us not to trust in anything or in anyone but the LORD.
Verse 9 of Chapter 7 rings so true to this thought. Micah 7:9, " I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against HIM, until HE plead my cause, and execute judgement for me: HE will bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold HIS righteousness."
Verse 18 really wraps it all up. Micah 7:18, "Who is a GOD like you, that pardons iniquity, and passes by transgression of the remnant of HIS heritage? HE does not retain HIS anger for ever, because HE delights in mercy."
Our GOD is love, mercy and compassion. Verse 19 so rightly brings judgement into focus. Micah 7:19, HE will turn again, HE will have compassion upon us, HE will subdue our inequities; and YOU will cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.
Praise HIS HOLY and wonderful name.
Phil3:10
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