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When and how did chapter and verse teaching get started?
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 26, 2009, 02:52:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 26, 2009, 01:22:18 PM ---Growing up I have always been exposed to as I now am to the constant use of chapter and verse type teaching. What shows that this is the proper way to teach? When did it start?
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Could somebody define "chapter and verse type teaching" please? I probably know what it is, but I don't remember ever using that specific phrase to refer to anything before.
Steve
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It is just words to show what is commonly done. We have multitudes of people who tell you what the scriptures mean by using specified sentences out of books, letters etc. They quote chapter and verse. That is what I was talking about.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 27, 2009, 01:06:47 PM ---Why do you have "you shall not temp the Lord your God" in bold?
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Because that was the scripture that Christ quoted. Just like all the others that are in bold. That was not a personal snipe at you or anything.
Marques
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on January 27, 2009, 06:20:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Steve Meacham on January 26, 2009, 02:52:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 26, 2009, 01:22:18 PM ---Growing up I have always been exposed to as I now am to the constant use of chapter and verse type teaching. What shows that this is the proper way to teach? When did it start?
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Could somebody define "chapter and verse type teaching" please? I probably know what it is, but I don't remember ever using that specific phrase to refer to anything before.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I believe what is meant here by "chapter and verse teaching" is referring to a specific lesson or message written down, recorded and ultimately quoted from what we today call the bible. This predates the New Testament even though it was not until the 13th and 14th centuries that the works of Stephen Langton (Archbishop of Cantebury) and Cardinal Hugo of Saint Cher were distributed with the books of scriptures divided into chapter and verse. Previously the bible read much like any other book.
The first whole bible that most resembles what we presently have is the work of Robert Stephens in his Vulgate of 1555 (Geneva). This is a very brief overview of the history of the bible being divided into chapter and verse. For a much better, more comprehensive study please read the following;
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html
In regard to the question of when teachers began referencing a particular passage it appears that this practice came about shortly after Moses wrote the first five books of scripture by the Lord's command and inspiration.
Num 33:2 And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the LORD: and these are their journeys according to their goings out.
Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name,THE LORD THY GOD;
Jos 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous and then thou shalt have good success.
Here are a few early examples of OT prophets referring to earlier writings to drive home a point or teaching;
Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the Lord commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lifted up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD and sacrificed peace offerings.
1Ki 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments and his judgments and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
2Ki 23:21 And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the LORD your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant.
Ezr 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brethren the priests and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and his brethren and built the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
If anyone is inspired to search this matter they will find many more examples of this practice (of quoting previous, older writings).
Peace,
Joe
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I think the idea that what books (bible) people had at the time being read like any other book is important. I think people getting the whole idea was quite important versus a lot of the focus on only a couple of verses which is common place today. Skilled slicksters I think have always enjoyed the chapter and verse approach. And the assumption that the previous people were thinking along the same lines as the people who are currently teaching is often used to fool others or maybe the people were sincere but still wrong. I think the chapter and verse also allows people to use the bible as an attack tool more than themselves looking into their own beam in their eye. Others like to feed the book to others when they themselves have yet to fully consume it. Just some thoughts.
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on January 27, 2009, 01:13:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 27, 2009, 01:06:47 PM ---Why do you have "you shall not temp the Lord your God" in bold?
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Because that was the scripture that Christ quoted. Just like all the others that are in bold. That was not a personal snipe at you or anything.
Marques
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Is "Get thee hence Satan" Jesus words? Matt 4:10 Just didn't understand why some were bolded and others not. No big deal.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 27, 2009, 01:30:11 PM ---Is "Get thee hence Satan" Jesus words? Matt 4:10 Just didn't understand why some were bolded and others not. No big deal.
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I didn't bold that part of the scripture...I placed in bold the sections that were direct quotes from earlier scriptures and capitalized 'It is written' to emphasize where and what Christ was quoting.
As for your other thoughts...
2 Tim 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
This is just a few reasons why the Lord give us his Word and teaches us to live by it. How some choose to live by it is another subject...
Marques
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