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When and how did chapter and verse teaching get started?
hillsbororiver:
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--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 26, 2009, 01:22:18 PM ---Growing up I have always been exposed to as I now am to the constant use of chapter and verse type teaching. What shows that this is the proper way to teach? When did it start?
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Could somebody define "chapter and verse type teaching" please? I probably know what it is, but I don't remember ever using that specific phrase to refer to anything before.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I believe what is meant here by "chapter and verse teaching" is referring to a specific lesson or message written down, recorded and ultimately quoted from what we today call the bible. This predates the New Testament even though it was not until the 13th and 14th centuries that the works of Stephen Langton (Archbishop of Cantebury) and Cardinal Hugo of Saint Cher were distributed with the books of scriptures divided into chapter and verse. Previously the bible read much like any other book.
The first whole bible that most resembles what we presently have is the work of Robert Stephens in his Vulgate of 1555 (Geneva). This is a very brief overview of the history of the bible being divided into chapter and verse. For a much better, more comprehensive study please read the following;
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html
In regard to the question of when teachers began referencing a particular passage it appears that this practice came about shortly after Moses wrote the first five books of scripture by the Lord's command and inspiration.
Num 33:2 And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the LORD: and these are their journeys according to their goings out.
Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name,THE LORD THY GOD;
Jos 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous and then thou shalt have good success.
Here are a few early examples of OT prophets referring to earlier writings to drive home a point or teaching;
Jos 8:31 As Moses the servant of the Lord commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lifted up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD and sacrificed peace offerings.
1Ki 2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments and his judgments and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
2Ki 23:21 And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the LORD your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant.
Ezr 3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak and his brethren the priests and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel and his brethren and built the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
If anyone is inspired to search this matter they will find many more examples of this practice (of quoting previous, older writings).
Peace,
Joe
Akira329:
Joe I had forgotten Ray did an entire conference on these things!
Thanks for the reminder!
Antaiwan
hillsbororiver:
You are very welcome Antaiwan!
Peace,
Joe
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on January 26, 2009, 02:18:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: WhoAmI on January 26, 2009, 01:22:18 PM ---Growing up I have always been exposed to as I now am to the constant use of chapter and verse type teaching. What shows that this is the proper way to teach? When did it start?
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As for my self i never found this constant use of chapter and verse type teaching as any form of proper teaching, but i do believe it to be MORE truthful in teaching, then anything else i have encountered in my Life.
The term "proper" follows rules or conventions, especially in social behavior from an etiquette society, that has little value for anything of Spiritual Truth, little wonder why we are not forming a society of heaven, nor a society of feel-good-lovey-dovey-doers. We are becoming a Kingdom of Truth and Righteousness.
There is unfortunately nothing anyone can do to remedy your doubts, that is something between you and God.
So with out much ado about cutting and pasting Scriptures to show you the sign post pointing to Jesus for your Answers, i can only suggest you find a better one, if there is indeed a better one at that.
Peace
Rodger
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You read way to much into a simple question posted to bring about discussion.
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on January 26, 2009, 02:29:22 PM ---Deut 8:2-3
And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Matt 4:4
But he [JESUS] answered and said, IT IS WRITTEN, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Deut 6:16
Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
Matt 4:7
JESUS said unto him, IT IS WRITTEN AGAIN, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Ex. 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Matt 4:10
Then saith JESUS unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: FOR IT IS WRITTEN, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Isa 61 1-2
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD...
Luke 4:17-19
And there was delivered unto him [JESUS] the book of the prophet Esaias [Isaiah]. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where IT IS WRITTEN, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
1 John 4:17
...because as he [JESUS] is, so are we in this world
John 17:1 & 16-23
These words spake JESUS...They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Marques
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Why do you have "you shall not temp the Lord your God" in bold?
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