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malachi12

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« on: June 01, 2006, 02:23:55 AM »

DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?

MATT 1:21,
ACTS 5:29-31,
ACTS 13:23-24,
MATT 10:5-6,
ISA 46:13,
JOEL 2:27,
LUKE 1:68-75,
EZE 37:28,
ISA 14:1-3,
II SAM 7:10,
HEB 4:9. THE WORLD IN JOHN 3:16 IS THE NATION OF ISRAEL! READ: ISA 45:17,
ST. JOHN 4:21-22,
ROM 9:4,
ACTS 1:6,
JOEL 2:32,
ISA 48:12,
ISA 10:20-22,
MATT 19:27-28,
REV 21:10-12
DAN 2:44.
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love_magnified

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2006, 02:54:31 AM »

Not exactly sure where you are going with this...
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Falconn003

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2006, 03:01:41 AM »

not another one............... ](*,)

As savior of the World does it exclude the nations of the world ???

Rodger
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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 03:31:00 AM »

.YES
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Andrew

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 03:45:18 AM »

2Ti 2:14  Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

Tit 3:9  But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. Tit 3:10  A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject;

Phi 1:27  Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
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Steve Crook

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 10:10:25 AM »

How about READING your bible, ALL of it, and then lets talk about salvation.

Is circumcision of the penis or of the heart?
Inward or outward JEWS of Israel?

(Joh 7:22)  Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
(Act 10:45)  And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(Act 11:1)  And the apostles and brethren that were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
(Act 11:2)  And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
(Act 11:3)  Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

(Rom 2:25)  For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

(Rom 2:27)  And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
(Rom 2:28)  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
(Rom 2:29)  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

(Rom 3:1)  What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
(Rom 3:2)  Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
(Rom 3:3)  For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
(Rom 3:4)  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

(Rom 3:30)  Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
(Rom 3:31)  Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I'll end this post with this. Obviously, there as much more then the house of Israel. What made you part of the house of Israel?

(Rom 4:10)  How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(Rom 4:11)  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
(Rom 4:12)  And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
(Rom 4:13)  For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
(Rom 4:14)  For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
(Rom 4:15)  Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
(Rom 4:16)  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

What was your question again?
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eutychus

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 10:15:09 AM »

Is circumcision of the penis or of the heart?
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longhorn

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 11:08:41 AM »

Eutychus,  That made me laugh  :lol:  :lol:


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eutychus

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 11:14:23 AM »

Quote from: longhorn
Eutychus,  That made me laugh  :lol:  :lol:


  Longhorn



Good,  :P
steves was a good post, hope he dosent think anything of my post.

grace to Longhorn
euty/chuck
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Steve Crook

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 11:16:09 AM »

Quote from: eutychus
Is circumcision of the penis or of the heart?


Haha, no it gave me a nice spiritual chuckle too, honestly hehe. I just get caught up with stuff and get busy and can't respond right away. So, please don't think I was just ignoring you :P
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malachi12

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2006, 11:23:35 AM »

Andrew, hopw all is well. Yes, I read the whole bible, I even took Hebrew lessons to understand it fully. From my understanding Salvation is only for Israelites not Jews but Israelites.

If the bible was written by Israelites then the word is for Israelites. When the romans destroyed Israel their plan was to destroy Israel''s GOD and cerate a new image unto their likeness.

It is possible for a gentile to receive salvation but when the Messiah comes back the rulers of the new Kingdom will be the Israelites as promise.
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Steve Crook

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2006, 11:49:24 AM »

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Andrew, hopw all is well. Yes, I read the whole bible, I even took Hebrew lessons to understand it fully. From my understanding Salvation is only for Israelites not Jews but Israelites.


When the apostles were walking around, did they know Hebrew? Did the Jews of the day know Hebrew? There were BELIEVING JEWS, who believed in Christ, and we are told that AMONG them who come false prophets, etc. So, knowing the language doesn't help too much, considering it is the spirit that gives life.

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If the bible was written by Israelites then the word is for Israelites. When the romans destroyed Israel their plan was to destroy Israel''s GOD and cerate a new image unto their likeness.


(2Pe 1:20)  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
(2Pe 1:21)  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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It is possible for a gentile to receive salvation but when the Messiah comes back the rulers of the new Kingdom will be the Israelites as promise.


WHAT is an Israelite when Christ returns? Who is worthy of that name, when Christ returns to rule with a rod of iron? It will not be those who are simply FLESH descendants of Abraham who eventually called themselves Israelites.

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malachi12

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2006, 01:02:03 PM »

Steve Crook


Yes, it is the FLESH..If not then please explain the 144000.
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malachi12

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2006, 01:02:21 PM »

Steve Crook


Yes, it is the FLESH..If not then please explain the 144000.
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lilitalienboi16

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2006, 01:53:10 PM »

Quote from: eutychus
Is circumcision of the penis or of the heart?


ROFL

Malachi you asked me why i quoted you and posted what i did in a another thread.

This is exactly why, YOU THINK ITS OF THE FLESH. You are still very carnal, and no im not holding it agaisnt you or judging you, just answering your question from the other thread.

God bless,

Alex
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malachi12

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2006, 02:26:47 PM »

lilitalienboi16

they are not the real Jews...

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 2:9  I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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Steve Crook

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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2006, 03:24:17 PM »

(Joh 6:63)  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

(Joh 6:64)  But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Did you read what a JEW is from my previous post? A Jew is NOT ONE THAT IS AFTER THE FLESH, BUT THE HEART.

It can not be more clear than that.

(Rom 2:25) For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

We ALL break the LAW. We are ALL GUILTY OF BREAKING EVERY COMMANDMENT, so we are all UNCIRCUMCISED.

(Rom 2:28) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Notice how being circumcised is BEING A JEW. That's why you WERE A JEW.

(Rom 2:29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now, again I'll state this simply. If a Jews praise is of God and NOT OF MEN, then how pray tell do we try and keep the TRADITIONS of men, above what we are told to do to praise God?

(Rom 4:14) For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
(Rom 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
(Rom 4:16) Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Of the Law = Faith is Made Void

Just believe the scriptures.
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Steve Crook

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DID JESUS CHRIST DIE FOR ALL NATIONS UPON THE EARTH?
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2006, 03:28:02 PM »

The 144,000 are symbolic of the chosen elect. As are many, many other SYMBOLS in revelation and throughout the entire scipture.

(Rev 1:1)  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Every word in the book of revelation is a SYMBOL for something else. It is a spiritual book that can only be opened by 1 person.

(Rev 1:3)  Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

(Rev 22:7)  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book.

How do you keep a literal 144,000 by yourself? Ever person who READS the prophecy MUST KEEP IT. That's why:

(Rev 5:4)  And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

Christ is the only one who can open this up to you, and without Christ opening it YOU HAVE NO HOPE.

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