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Ecc 3:1, Prov 16:9, Free Will, the myth

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Vangie:
I agree Gary!  And that goes not just for ourselves but for others as well like you say.  This also sets us free to forgive.

Great topic and I love where you're taking it!  Very enlightening.

Love in Christ,
Vangie

lferretj:
Hello,
  I like the story of Jonah to debunk the Free Will myth--
Jonah 1:1-3 1The word of the LORD came to Jonah son of Amittai: 2 "Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me."
 3 But Jonah ran away from the LORD and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the LORD.

Jonah chose to run away from the Lord but God used that for a great purpose--

Johah 1:14-16 14 Then they (the people on the boat) cried to the LORD, "O LORD, please do not let us die for taking this man's life. Do not hold us accountable for killing an innocent man, for you, O LORD, have done as you pleased." 15 Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm. 16 At this the men greatly feared the LORD, and they offered a sacrifice to the LORD and made vows to him. (italics mine).

The Lord used Jonah running away to show the men on the boat His power.  But Jonah doesn't have free will, look at what happens next--

Jonah 1:17, 2:10 17 But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights.
10And the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.

Jonah couldn't thwart God's ultimate plan of having him speak out at Ninevah.

I believe I quote Ray correctly when I say we can go against God's will, but not against His ultimate plan.
E-Mail answer "What did God will fro Adam and Eve" http://bible-truths.com/email2.htm

"One last thought for you. God DID create men spiritually weak so that they cannot resist sin. "ALL have sinned..."It obviously IS God's will that for a time we go AGAINST His will. But. . .BUT, NO ONE EVER goes against God's "INTENTION." There is a giant difference. Paul's detractors ask in Roman's nine, "For who has gone against God's INTENTION?" And the answer is, absolutely NO ONE. It could not even BE God's will that all be saved, unless first ALL ARE LOST! 

If only theologians could come to understand that God is not running a damage control center from His throne of the universe. God is NOT picking up the pieces. He is not trying to get things back to being as good as they once were. He is not trying to figure out how to outsmart Satan. He is not falling behind, numerically, as far as how many will be saved and how many will be lost. God is far smarter and wiser and the stupid men who come up with these insane and blasphemous theories and doctrines.

God has a PLAN. (Wow, now there's a revelation for theologians). And God is working out that plan to perfection on a perfect schedule, and He will loose NOTHING! Paul tells us in Rom. 11:36 that ALL is out of God and THROUGH God and FOR God. God is creating man in His OWN IMAGE. It is a PROCESS. That process is on perfect schedule. It WILL be successful. Christ IS the saviour of the world and therefore, He WILL SAVE THE WORLD. How can you be a minister of the gospel and doubt God's ability to save all of His children? That's insane."


Hope this helps
     lferretj

judith collier:
I really like where you said, "Jonah couldn't thwart God's ultimate plan"  If one is working with the will of God, nothing  and I mean nothing will defeat God's plan for you which is good and you won't even have to take a ride in the belly of a whale. You might suffer some but you know it will come to pass.  Judy

aqrinc:
Hi Gary,

I think you get it on this subject:

(YLT)

Psa 37:23  From Jehovah are the steps of a man, They have been prepared, And his way he desireth.
Psa 37:24  When he falleth, he is not cast down, For Jehovah is sustaining his hand.
Psa 37:25  Young I have been, I have also become old, And I have not seen the righteous forsaken, And his seed seeking bread.
Psa 37:26  All the day he is gracious and lending, And his seed is for a blessing.
Psa 37:27  Turn aside from evil, and do good, and dwell to the age.
Psa 37:28  For Jehovah is loving judgment, And He doth not forsake His saintly ones, To the age they have been kept, And the seed of the wicked is cut off.

george. :)

Kat:

Hi Rob,


--- Quote ---what is the difference between pre-approving something and pre-destinating something?
--- End quote ---

What 'pre-approved' sounds like to me is God approves of what we decide to do.  As 'pre-destinates' would mean God's plan is already worked out, so we are already predestinated in all that will happen.


Gary you do seems to be going to the right direction with this now  :)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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