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croatankid:
"come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and i will give you rest" Matthew 11:28.
but does he?  please bear with me as i'm not good at this.  paul asked god to remove the thorn from his flesh but god told him that his grace was sufficient.  if lifes' troubles are to be born by us what good does it do us to pray for relief?  yet we are advised to pray about all things.  if you think you understand what i'm asking, please offer an answer or advice.  thanks! 

Beloved:
I am not sure I understand the question but I think that when we see the thorns and tribulations that each of us are given we are to pray, it is a means and opportunity to show that we are in agreement with the Father's will.

We may not like the thorn or tribulation but we know for certain that He is Soveregn and that there is a purpose for the thorn. It may be grace the noun or grace the verb...but it is God showing "love toward a son."..working to change you in His image. His Grace is sufficient to do this.

Those that toil and are burdened are those that try to "handle or solve the problem through self are only frustrating themselves.. Jesus is telling that if we come and be one with Him and the Father that they will have rest, knowing that God will work all toward the good.  Prayer is the mental and spiritual bridge we have for doing this

beloved

Linny:
I think of that scripture as less about His removing my current trial and more about giving me peace about it.
When we are in a trial, I thank Him that His yoke is easy and He can have mine. Then as I release it and thank Him for
my victorious conclusion to it, I have peace or rest.

Hope that helps a little.
Lin

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: croatankid on February 04, 2009, 08:13:09 PM ---"come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and i will give you rest" Matthew 11:28.
but does he?  please bear with me as i'm not good at this.  paul asked god to remove the thorn from his flesh but god told him that his grace was sufficient.  if lifes' troubles are to be born by us what good does it do us to pray for relief?  yet we are advised to pray about all things.  if you think you understand what i'm asking, please offer an answer or advice.  thanks! 

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2 Pet 1:20  ...knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture at all is becoming its own explanation. [CLV]

Matt. 18:16  ...that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established


Hello Croatankid,

Though the words of Christ are true in Matt 11:28, they are not their own interpretation. Even when the Word of God 'seems' to make plain declarations, the supporting witnesses help in opening one's understanding.

Here is a witness to 'rest':

Heb 4:2-11
 
2  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3  For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4  For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5  And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6  Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7  Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8  For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10  For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11  Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief

As well as 'labour':

John 6:27  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

1 Cor 15:10  But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Eph 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The Lord tells us to cease from our carnal works as He will work or 'labour' in us to good works.

Now regarding prayer, I believe Ray's paper on 'Praying by God's Rules' (http://bible-truths.com/praying.htm) is a good starting point. As Ray states, God cannot 'answer' a prayer unless it has been prayed. This paper is not long...read through it and let us know if you still need help in understanding. Also, Rodger has pointed out another great paper regarding Paul's splinter in the flesh that will help as well.


Hope this helps,

Marques

Kat:


Mat 11:28  Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

What is this "labor" that makes us "heavy laden"?

Ecc 2:11  Then I looked on all the works that my hands had done
       And on the labor in which I had toiled;
       And indeed all was vanity and grasping for the wind.
       There was no profit under the sun.

We can never find "rest" in what 'we' do in our carnal works, we are just "grasping for the wind."  There is only one way to have "rest" and to be "free" and that is through the Spirit of truth - Jesus Christ.

John 14:17  the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 8:31  Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
v. 32  And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."


--- Quote ---if lifes' troubles are to be born by us what good does it do us to pray for relief?
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We rest by the spirit of God indwelling and we know God is in control of everything and we have confidence in Him even though we don't know what is going to happen.  We should always be seeking Him in prayer, to acknowledge that He is sovereign and speak with Him concerning the things that are happening in our life.  Not to change His mind, but because He is our Father and He loves us and we should know that whatever we have to endure is for the ultimate good.

Here is a bit from the 2007 conference.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=4472.0 --------

like the old saying; act like it all depends on you and pray like it all depends on God.  That’s the way you should live your life.  He could not help but pray. 

What appears to be contradictions are not contradictions, when you have a higher spiritual understanding of what it’s talking about.  Let me show you a perfect example and it sounds like a contradiction, but it’s not.

Phi 2:12  “Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

Doesn’t that contradict this whole thing... we’re saved by grace and not of works?  Now we’re to work out our own salvation?  What is that?  How do you explain that “Of Myself I can do nothing” (John 5:30)?   And He said YOU can do nothing (John 15:5), to the apostles.  Then Paul says “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”  Well it does sound like a contradiction.  But read the next verse and He tells us why.  "For" now that word always means ‘because' or it’s another word for because.

Phi 2:13  “For (because) it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”

Some of you probably still don’t get the answer, but it is there.  "Work out your own salvation," is not the gist of that saying.  He is not saying, work out your own salvation(.)  No, He’s saying “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, that’s where the emphases is, on fear and trembling, not on work out your own salvation. 

You work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, why?  Because it all depends on God!  If God doesn’t do it, it won’t happen, IT WON’T HAPPEN!  So we live in fear and trepidation.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

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