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God or god (satan)?
EKnight:
I am re-reading the lake of fire series and came across what on the surface appears to be contradictory. Perhaps someone could clear this up for me.
http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html
"In whom the god [SATAN] of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, Who is the Image of God, should shine unto them" (II Cor. 4:4).
Oh, that the Church would believe the Scriptures. Why are there billions who "believe not" in the world? Is it because they CHOOSE to believe not? That’s what well-intentioned Christians tell me all the time. "Ray! these people CHOOSE to go to hell." How, pray tell, can they "choose" to go to hell, when they "believe NOT" in the first place. They don’t "make a choice," the choice is made for them, because they "believe not." And JUST WHY do they "believe not?"
Will you insist on the Church’s answer or will you humbly accept God’s answer? "In whom the God of this world has BLINDED the minds of them that believe NOT…" That’s why they can’t "see" to make the right choice—THEY ARE BLIND!
It seems like Ray says in this above passage in the first paragraph that SATAN is the god of this world who is blinding the minds of those who believe not. But then in the second paragraph using the same scripture, he capitalizes God which would appear to mean that God is doing the blinding.
So which one is it?
Eileen
EKnight:
I guess that this second quote of the scripture* just should not have had the word "god" capitalized? A typo by the transcriptionist?
*Will you insist on the Church’s answer or will you humbly accept God’s answer? "In whom the God of this world has BLINDED the minds of them that believe NOT…" That’s why they can’t "see" to make the right choice—THEY ARE BLIND!
Eileen
Akira329:
Hey Eileen!
I think its just a typo.
But nevertheless, Jesus says this:
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
The Father is definitely responsible
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God made him(Satan) gave him work to do and gave him purpose.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Also remember Jesus's parable:
Mat 13:3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
Mat 13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
With all that said, I still think its just a typo.
The best thing to do is ask Ray or Kat!
I hope this helps you Eileen
Antaiwan
EKnight:
Hi Antaiwan,
I am glad you posted this:
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
because I have another question. In the above passage, especially the "because thou has done this" (deceived Eve), sounds like God is about to dole out punishment for the serpent's deed, however, God actually gives to satan what satan loves most, eating dust.
No?
Eileen
Beloved:
I just want to add a small point for those who may remember another post where we discussed something that seems similar.
(2Co 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
The word used is
G2316 θεός theos Thayer Definition: 1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities 2) the Godhead, 2a) God the Father,
versus the verse in the other post
(Joh 14:30) [color=red]Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.[/color]
G758 ἄρχων archōn Thayer Definition: 1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
This goes along with what has pointed out satan is a created thing and therefore like all worldly physical leaders, he has been assigned this role. This word is used for the rulers of the synegogs etc.
Yes Eileen just like his other creatures on earth who seemed satisfied with the riches and fame and sexual perversion...it is only for a small period of time...even for satan and his appetite for dust....in comparison to God who is outside of time and the family He is about to bring into this this is all but a vapor.
We always have to remember and look back at the words in Esword etc. There are no capital letters or punctuation in the original Greek or Hebrw so you have to watch what words are used and how they being used. The translators bias can show through sometimes. They often use diferent words for the same original word when writing.
beloved
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