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EKnight:
Thank you marky mark and George.

Sometimes I wonder if I am being led astray and then I reflect on how I was led here when I was praying for God to help me (I did take a slight detour), and it brings to mind these scriptures:

Luke 11:

9 "So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
10 "For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened.
11 "Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he?
12 "Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he?
13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

So I trust in God.

Eileen

Beloved:
Eileen you say BT is causing a wedge and perhaps it is...You asked your husband to support you in a statement about Ray...He did not.  I agree with marques and Rodgers suggestion but would like to add a little more dimension

You are not following Ray...You are following the Truth of God. I see no reason why you cannot  submit to your husband on this particular point. If you REST in the Sovereignty of God always, then you who know is right and that God is in control of everything.  That is what submission of a wife to a husband is. Because we know who really is in control.   Therethen be no need for notches on the belt.  There is no win or lose.

Study and become stronger. You say that he and others cannot see Christ living in you. Then allow God to work more on that.  

One does not have to jump into every argument.  I also like what Rodgers says, whether is is the socrates method or not.  Rather than telling them something about the scriptures.  Ask him to prove or defend something that contradicts.

It sounds however that your husband might be enjoying his feasting on the carnal things (TV and history) right now and that he does not want God in his life. So your questions need to focus on the things that he is in to.  Why did God allow that or this to happen in history....Listen .... think, and  study the scriptures about what he answers and then come back with more questions  Eileen Have you ever noticed how God himself asks questions. Like.......Where are you Adam etc etc ?  I think that is why it is the only way rabbinical arguments are done.


On Rays web site he states the purpose of his website

There is, however, a two-fold commission in teaching the Gospel of Christ:
"...that he [the elders] may be able to [1] entreat with sound teaching as well as to [2] expose those who contradict" (Titus 1:9, Concordant


Eileen you are learning sound doctrine here,  so you may have continue to do that in silence and then you will have to allow God to show you the moments when to expose those who contradict.

Using questions rather than statement puts all the onus on them. It allows the Holy Spirit to work on them if that is His purpose. When he gives some silly illogical answer, those words will convictshim, and it will play over and over inside of him. It also marks him.


Also Meditate on these

(Rom 16:17)  Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. (in your spiritual house)

(Rom 16:18)  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

(Rom 16:19)  For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

(Rom 16:20)  And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.


I am sure that George and Marques use this technique in reverse, being that they are the head of their physical families. never the less, they still also need to be gentle and not over bearing knowing that our Good and Merciful Father is in control of everything.

Always Remember .....You are not alone, Christ in you ...and He is your witness. Let the Holy Spirit guide you and take hold and stifle any carnal part that wants to win  petty arguments that only puffs up our own pride. When your husband get the point...then the glory does indeed go to God.

Beloved

beloved

Marlene:
Eileen, When, God dragged me out of my last church. My Mother and Husband left to, because our pastor made a personal attack on me. Now, I know that My Mother misses the friendships. My Husband , never talks about it. But, my Mother told me she would never want me to go against what God has told me to do. But, she is 88 and gets lonely although she lives with me. My Husband, actually seems happier in some ways. But, he never has been that interested in reading the Bible. Actually, he never had been one to read a lot. Now, I see many beautiful traits in him. He actually is the Husband, God wanted for me. He does not get angry when I spend time with God or coming in here. Now, Yes, I would love my whole family to believe like me.

The scriptures Marques gave is something I have always read over and over when I feel lonely and left out. My Husbands family I am sure think I have gone off my rocker. Being they knew our last Pastor Lied at the Pulpit and also set himself in Gods seat. He personally attacked Me and My Husband. We left but his family all stayed. Its hard when we are together. I just don't discuss it with them. We have a wedding to go to for his neice in April. This is going to be hard. But, she  choose to not have it at that church. She choose her great-great great grandmothers church. So, this makes it a little easier on me.

There was a lady from our church who always sent me little emails while I was ill for a year. But, she stopped as soon as we wanted our membership dropped. Well, I got a shock the other day. She found out that I had surgery and mailed me a get well card. I am sure my husbands family must have had them praying for me. Kind, of made me sick to think she did that to me and now sends a card after a year latter. But, I dread the wedding shower and every thing. So, yes it can draw a wedge. We have the scriptures from God that Marques showed.

The thing I focus on ,when I feel lonely, is where God has brought me. The truths he choose to share with me. How, he has given me eyes to see and ears to here. I am always amazed to see how many new people enter each week in here even with Ray not being well. That, really gives me something to shout about. It truly is God who drags us here. I focus on all of you and how we can share our hearts with each other. That, makes things better for me.

Well, I could go on and on about all my blessings. But, just know our prayers for one another is a great blessings. I will keep you in my  prayers. I just thank God every day for all of you.

In His Love,
Marlene

britt:
Well stated Marlene and Beloved! I hope both of you are arond the next time I need advice.  ;)

P.S. I am the black sheep in my family as well.  ::)

Peace,

Britt

smeacham:

--- Quote from: EKnight on February 08, 2009, 01:09:12 PM ---...
I still sense in him a feeling of loss toward the "physical rituals of the church".
...
Eileen

--- End quote ---

I think that a lot of us still feel that loss from time to time.  For me it isn't really the rituals.  I really don't know WHAT it is that I miss, but sometimes I still do.

Steven

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