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Confusing scriptures
EKnight:
Matthew 22:
32 'I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, AND THE GOD OF JACOB'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Mark 12:
"He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken."
Luke 20:
"Now He is not the God of the dead but of the living; for all live to Him."
And then...
Romans 14:
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Can anyone see why I might be confused??
Eileen
Dennis Vogel:
Not really. He is Lord of the dead that await be raised, and Lord of those alive at this time.
"God" is used except in the last verse you quote where "Lord" is used.
"to this end..." explains it.
Dennis
aqrinc:
Hi Eileen,
Try reading the outtake (verses) with the surrounding scriptures included, it becomes clearer then.
Apparent confusion becomes clarity when not read in isolation here.
Mat 22: 29-33
29 Now, answering, Jesus said to them, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God."
30 For in the resurrection neither are they marrying nor taking in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven."
31 Now concerning the resurrection of the dead, did you not read that which is declared to you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
33 And, hearing it, the throngs were astonished at His teaching."
Mar 12: 24-27
24 Jesus averred to them, "Are you not therefore deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet the power of God?
25 For whenever they may be rising from among the dead, they are neither marrying nor taking out in marriage, but are as the messengers in the heavens."
26 Now concerning the dead, that they are being roused; did you not read in the scroll of Moses, at the thorn bush, how God spoke to him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You, then, are much deceived."
Luk 20: 35-39
35 Yet those deemed worthy to happen upon that eon and the resurrection from among the dead are neither marrying nor taking out in marriage.
36 For neither can they still be dying, for they are equal to messengers, and are the sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
37 Now that the dead are rousing, even Moses divulges at the thorn bush, as he is terming the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob."
38 Now God is He, not of the dead, but of the living, for all, to Him, are living."
39 Now answering, some of the scribes say to Him, "Teacher, ideally say you."
Rom 14: 7-9
7 For not one of us is living to himself, and not one is dying to himself."
8 For both, if we should be living, to the Lord are we living, and if we should be dying, to the Lord are we dying. Then, both if we should be living and if we should be dying, we are the Lord's."
9 For for this Christ died and lives, that He should be Lord of the dead as well as of the living."
george ;D.
EKnight:
Okay George, after reading and re-reading the entirety of the scriptures that you quoted, here is what I see.
--- Quote from: aqr on February 12, 2009, 07:31:55 PM ---
Hi Eileen,
Try reading the outtake (verses) with the surrounding scriptures included, it becomes clearer then.
Apparent confusion becomes clarity when not read in isolation here.
Mat 22: 29-33
29 Now, answering, Jesus said to them, "You are deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet with the power of God."
30 For in the resurrection neither are they marrying nor taking in marriage, but are as messengers of God in heaven."
31 Now concerning the resurrection of the dead, did you not read that which is declared to you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
33 And, hearing it, the throngs were astonished at His teaching."
Mar 12: 24-27
24 Jesus averred to them, "Are you not therefore deceived, not being acquainted with the scriptures, nor yet the power of God?
25 For whenever they may be rising from among the dead, they are neither marrying nor taking out in marriage, but are as the messengers in the heavens."
26 Now concerning the dead, that they are being roused; did you not read in the scroll of Moses, at the thorn bush, how God spoke to him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You, then, are much deceived."
Luk 20: 35-39
35 Yet those deemed worthy to happen upon that eon and the resurrection from among the dead are neither marrying nor taking out in marriage.
36 For neither can they still be dying, for they are equal to messengers, and are the sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
37 Now that the dead are rousing, even Moses divulges at the thorn bush, as he is terming the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob."
38 Now God is He, not of the dead, but of the living, for all, to Him, are living."
39 Now answering, some of the scribes say to Him, "Teacher, ideally say you."
Rom 14: 7-9
7 For not one of us is living to himself, and not one is dying to himself."
8 For both, if we should be living, to the Lord are we living, and if we should be dying, to the Lord are we dying. Then, both if we should be living and if we should be dying, we are the Lord's."
9 For for this Christ died and lives, that He should be Lord of the dead as well as of the living."
george ;D.
--- End quote ---
In Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus says that God is the God of the living after saying that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all of whom at this time were dead (physically) therefore, it seems as though Jesus is saying that they are living (spiritually) as if they are already resurrected
Now concerning the dead, that they are being roused;
Being roused is present tense (not-to be roused, or been roused but BEING roused). I send my daughter upstairs to wake her father, I say at this moment he is being roused (by my daughter). That is happening now, which is not in line with Ray's teaching that all are dead until "that day" a day, not everyday.
This is what I see, so if it is wrong (according to whomever) then I am blinded.
Does no one else see what I see? ???
Eileen
Beloved:
This translation may help you Eileen
Jesus is talking about the age of ressurection
(Luk 20:34) And Jesus answering said to them, `The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage, (he is talking about what will happen after death and the resurrection)
(Luk 20:35) but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage;
(Luk 20:36) for neither are they able to die any more--for they are like messengers--and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.
(Luk 20:37) `And that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the Bush, since he doth call the Lord, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;
(Luk 20:38) and He is not a God of dead men, but of living, for all live to Him.'
These OT patriarchs who obeyed God will be raised and will be given spiritual bodies at the resurrection. I see this as God taalking outside of time.
He is not a God of spiritual or physically dead men but the God of spiritual living men who live to Him.
he is telling them that Moses and the three patriarch will all be spiritually alive at the resurrectin
So I do not see how these verse contradicts what ray teaches. Jesus is describing what will happen in that age.
beloved
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