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Confusing scriptures
aqrinc:
Hi Eileen,
The Scripture passages are not in isolation, remember The Sum Of The Words. All the Apostles
are writing about the same thing; in places one tells more while another tells less (perspective).
Search for understanding to discern as opposed to trying to prove your point. GOD IS NOT, the
author of confusion. But always remember this in the Gospels:
Mar 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:
but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Luk 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others
in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Why:
Mar 4:12
That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;
lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
These two Scriptures below are going into more detail than the others, follow it without a
preconcieved ending and see how your understanding grows. Dump your old learning now
and start like it was your first day in a class that you love to be in. (You Do Love It Too)
Luk:20:38
Now God is He, not of the dead, but of the living, for all, to Him, are living."
He (Jesus Christ) See's us alive in Himself Always; we see where we are now (dead carnal).
Rom:14: 9
For for this Christ died and lives, that He should be Lord of the dead as well as of the living."
george. ;D
Btw: Whenever i have doubt; i check my (mind Beast) at the door, since The Scriptures are Always Right.
judith collier:
Luke 10 amd Mark 4 are attributed to YOU? I don't like this habit and certainly would never use this tactic in an argument. To take God's word and apply it STRICTLY to myself. It could just as easily be used for Eileen. Judy
Beloved:
Judy I do not exactly understand by what you mean Luke 10 and mark4 attributed to you? in your post but perhaps this might help
(Col 3:16) Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
(Col 3:17) And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
The scripture that Eileen was confused about was a matter of the translation. If you look at the proper grammar it will make more sence. Some people will never see the meaning because it was NEVER given for them to see. Those in babylon think they have already been resurrrected and in heaven.
beloved
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: Judy on February 14, 2009, 06:06:12 PM ---Luke 10 amd Mark 4 are attributed to YOU? I don't like this habit and certainly would never use this tactic in an argument. To take God's word and apply it STRICTLY to myself. It could just as easily be used for Eileen. Judy
--- End quote ---
Hi Judy,
The Scriptures say what they say, we do not have to like it; IT IS Period. The only tactic one
should use in communicating is clear language that both parties can understand. GOD'S Word
Is Applied By GOD Only; so no fear of anyone applying IT, to themself.
As always we look at: What do The Scriptures say; not what man feels.
Mar 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God:
but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12
That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand;
lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Luk 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others
in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
Ray has taught exhaustivly about The Gospels; read just this one paper to find out more:
http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm
Excerpt from: Twelve Truths to Understanding His Word
TRUTH NUMBER 2
[A] "All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in PARABLES; and without a parable spoke He not unto them" (Matt. 13:34).
"But without a PARABLE spoke He not unto them…" (Mark 4:34).
[C] "This PARABLE spoke Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which He spoke unto them" (John 10:6).
Jesus taught in parables only, and no one understood His parables, hence Jesus taught in a way that He knew no one would understand His message. This truth of Scripture is so revolutionary to the minds of most Christians that many will think it blasphemy, and yet the Scriptures abound with statements that fully support it.
I heard Matt Crouch (elder son of TBN President, Paul Croach) state on international television that Jesus spoke in parables to make the meaning of His teachings simple and clear and understandable to the simple farmers and uneducated people of Judea. My Wycliffe Bible Dictionary has a similar explanation: "Purpose of parables. The obvious purpose of Jesus’ use of parables was to make spiritual truth clear and compelling." What a crock.
Is anyone interested in what Jesus Himself had to say about His use of Parables? Good. Here it is:
"And the disciples came, and said unto Him, Why do you speak unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but unto them it is not given" (Matt. 13:10-11).
Now then, does anyone see any similarity between "to make spiritual truth clear and compelling," and "…but unto them it is not given?" No? Neither do I. What I see is a diametric opposite. What I see is a flat out contradiction between Christian teachers and the Word of God.
"Jesus spoke in parables to make His quaint little stories clear and understandable to the uneducated farmers of Judea," my foot: "and when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spoke of them" (Matt. 21:45). The Chief Priests and Pharisees were generally highly educated people. But even they didn’t know what Jesus’ parables really meant, but they on one occasion at least, "perceived" that Jesus was speaking about them.
So surely, if Jesus’ parables were "clear and compelling" to the uneducated farmers of Judea, then they would be even more so to His own disciples, not?
"Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, Declare [expound, define, explain] unto us the parable of the tares of the field" (Matt. 13:36).
Even Jesus’ Own disciples had to have these parables explained to them. And just how did Jesus "declare" these parables to His Own disciples? You wouldn’t believe me if I told you. You wouldn’t believe me if I showed you. Okay, here’s how Jesus explained His parable. He explained His parable to His disciples by telling them ANOTHER PARABLE! I told you that you wouldn’t believe me. More on this later.
This is another one of those marvelous spiritual truths of Scripture, which you will never hear explained in the Church. Just what do they teach all these future clergymen in seminary? The fact is, Jesus did not want the people to understand Him and Jesus did not want them to repent and Jesus did not want to spiritually heal or save them. He clearly said so. But why? Because God has a plan that involves calling MANY, but choosing out only a FEW.
"For whosoever has, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever has not, from him shall be taken away even that he has" (Matt. 13:12).
Does anyone understand what Jesus just said here? Probably not too many, for this too, is a parable explaining a parable—and no one understood either. I wish they would let me teach a few classes at seminary.
"Therefore speak I to them in parables, because they seeing, see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah… for this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should BE CONVERTED, AND I SHOULD HEAL [SAVE] THEM" (Verses 13-15).
george. :)
judith collier:
Dear George, you should be very happy to believe you are one of the few. I do not see it. And what I said, I reiterate. Every time someone does not get the same thing you guys do, you revert back to how you are the chosen and all understanding is yours and yours only and only what you see is from God.How is it that I have understood much even before I came here and even since I came here but I do not see this and now YOU are more spiritual and one of the few and not me because I do not se what YOU see.Judy
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