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Repentance
judith collier:
Yes, the closer we get to the (son) (sun) the more our defects are apparent. Judy
Marlene:
Yes, the scriptures provided say it all. We can get puffed up learning the truth, and forget where we come from. I begged God for his truths, before coming in here. I had fallen into a sin that brought me to my knees. I will never, forget that experience. It keeps me humble. Yes, all we can do is beg God to keep us where we need to be. Its all about being dependent on him and not ourself. Its ALL Him.
In His Love,
Marlene
judith collier:
I read and listened to that script of Ray's. I couldn't understand how forgiveness came before repentance but now i understand. Without forgiveness there is no need to repent, we would just be stuck eternally in our sins. My experience has always been a God of consuming love, do I always remember that? No. I condemn sometime and repent again. Maybe if we were to show the world that our God was a loving forgiving God instead of making them repent first out of the fear of hell and only that God loves them and His forgiveness was at hand (the good news) the gospel would be everywhere by now. Judy
aqrinc:
These Scriptures in Romans points out why it is impossible for us to understand without
The Spirit Of GOD And Our Lord Jesus Christ doing the Teaching and Guiding. It takes a
whole lot more than we have of ourselves, to even begin to hear The Real Voice Of The
Shepherd (Jesus Christ). There is such a cacophony of noise out there saying he is here
or he is there; but what Saith The Scriptures.
Rom 10: 1-21
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
This Forgiveness, Repentance, Cleansing is the very beginning of our journey. Jesus Christ Has
Sent The Comforter to Teach and Guide us in all Truth; but we have to study constantly.
Wish it could shorter, but this is what The Word Say.
2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
george. ;D
EKnight:
I have read and listened to Ray's audio on this topic. I think I get it and then I read:
Matthew 6:
14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.
This confuses me. I read these scriptures and now I'm thinking that I am not forgiven unless:
14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.
Maybe I totally misunderstood the order Forgiveness, Repentance, Cleansing.
I thought forgiveness was first because Christ already died for the remission of sin. But there are conditions for forgiveness and it appears these conditions must first be met before forgiveness. ???
Ugh!
Eileen
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