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Dave in Tenn:
Ricky, to further answer your question.

40 years ago, 100 years ago, 1000 years ago there were people who had and held to the truth.  Even if there were no teachers--much less the internet--they had the scriptures and saw the truth in them.  I reckon that most of them were unknown to history.  In other words, this is NOT new.  If anything, it is a revival of the original Gospel message taught by the Apostles.  That's what excites me about it. 

God has always had a remnant.  That's been true all the way back even into the Old Testament, and will continue as long as mankind walks on the earth.  Why?  Because His Words will NOT pass away.

Marlene:
Ricky, If you want a song that helps me. It is Raging Sea by Michael W. Smith. Just type in You Tube Raching Sea by Michael Smith, It helps me to know more of the Love of God for me.

In His Love,
Marlene

aqrinc:

Ricky,

I wish there was an easier way to do this too. Many days i am caught between going with the
things i see and touch or believing that the unseen is better. I can only thank GOD for His Grace
and Faith that keeps me going. Our choice is really simple; not easy simple; Trust GOD And His
Word Jesus Christ our Saviour or go back to what makes us feel good now (Carnality).

Rom 7: 14-25 (CLV)
14  I know that God's standards are spiritual, but I have a corrupt nature, sold as a slave to sin.
15  I don't realize what I'm doing. I don't do what I want to do. Instead, I do what I hate.
16  I don't do what I want to do, but I agree that God's standards are good.
17  So I am no longer the one who is doing the things I hate, but sin that lives in me is doing them.
18  I know that nothing good lives in me; that is, nothing good lives in my corrupt nature. Although I have the desire to do what is right, I don't do it.
19  I don't do the good I want to do. Instead, I do the evil that I don't want to do.
20  Now, when I do what I don't want to do, I am no longer the one who is doing it. Sin that lives in me is doing it.
21  So I've discovered this truth: Evil is present with me even when I want to do what God's standards say is good.
22  I take pleasure in God's standards in my inner being.
23  However, I see a different standard at work throughout my body. It is at war with the standards my mind sets and tries to take me captive to sin's standards which still exist throughout my body.
24  What a miserable person I am! Who will rescue me from my dying body?
25  I thank God that our Lord Jesus Christ rescues me! So I am obedient to God's standards with my mind, but I am obedient to sin's standards with my corrupt nature.

Here is a paper from Ray that i am reading for the 3rd time: http://bible-truths.com/lake12.html

Excerpt from: GOD JUDGES THE WORLD IN A POND

God saved Noah and his family from the raging waves of the sea in an ark. When we come to understanding spiritual things, we will clearly see that the ark represents Christ. We also have examples of Jesus saving His disciples from the raging waves of the Sea [lake] of Galilee.

"And when He was entered into a ship, His disciples followed Him. And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was COVERED WITH THE WAVES [‘and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was already filling, Mk 4:37]: but He was asleep. And His disciple came to Him, and awoke Him, saying Lord, save us: WE PERISH. And He said unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then He arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea: and there was a great calm. But the men marveled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him!" (Matt. 8:23-27).

Does anyone have the slightest doubt that Jesus possesses the power to calm the sea? Is any man or group of men more powerful than the sea? Then why, oh why, do we allow theologians, clergymen, pastors, preachers, teachers and authors to tell us that Jesus Christ is POWERLESS TO CALM THE SEA OF HUMANITY? That man possesses a raging power of "free will" that even God Himself cannot and will not penetrate or calm? No, my friends, "…the winds and the sea OBEY HIM!"

On another occasion we read this:

"And straightway Jesus constrained His disciples to get into a ship, and to go before Him unto the other side, while He sent the multitudes away… But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, TOSSED WITH WAVES" (Matt. 14:22-24).

In both cases Jesus SAVED His disciples from the raging waves of the sea.

JESUS CHRIST IS OUR COVERING

We just read where the Apostles were on a boat on the sea of Galilee and were, "…COVERED with waves…" I see another type here. What do the "raging waves of the sea" symbolize?

Jude tells us that, "filthy dreamers," who "defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities," "brute beasts," those who have "gone the way of Can," and are after "the error of Balaam," and those who "perished in the gainsaying of core," these are "spots in your feasts of charity … RAGING WAVES OF THE SEA…" (Jude 8-13).

Say, did you notice where these "filthy dreamers, brute beasts, raging waves of the sea" are located. That’s right—IN THE CHURCH. These evil people are eating right along with the rest in the Church’s "feasts of charity." These are those who, "say they are apostles [of Christ], and are not," and those who, "say they are Jews [spiritual Jews -- converted Christians], and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

The disciples were literally "covered with waves" of the sea, but they were also covered with the "raging waves of the sea" spoken of in Jude, because they were, as yet, unconverted.

Actually, the Sea of Galilee is really a lake, also called, The Lake of Gennesar [et] and Lake Tiberias. Jesus Himself called Galilee a "lake" (Luke 8:22). Notice that the carnality of man symbolized in "covered with waves" (raging waves of the sea) needed salvation—"Lord save us, WE PERISH." What did Jesus become to His disciples at that very instant? Answer: "a covering shelter." Whereas they were covered by the raging waves of the sea, Jesus now became their "covering."

Jesus SAVED His disciples from the "raging waves of the sea that covered them," in the middle of the Sea [lake] of Galilee. But this was a literal physical event. They were not spiritually converted as yet, but this event pointed to just such a conversion of the spirit. Will not Jesus also become a "covering shelter" for others? If so, for whom, and for how many?

JESUS CHRIST IS THE COVERING SHELTER
OF THE WHOLE WORLD

"And He [Jesus] is the propitiation [Greek: hilasmos, signifies "an expiation, a means whereby sin is COVERED and remitted" Strong’, p. 121] for our sins: and not for ours only, but also FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD" (1 John 2:2).

It may come as a surprise to realize that Jesus started His work of propitiation in a "lake"—the Lake of Galilee, and He will finish His work of propitiation in another lake, "the Lake of Fire."

george. :)

Ricky:
Thankyou everyone for your replies. You have helped in many ways. I have now seen some of what I have been missing. I would like to say something here, and can only hope that none of you will judge me on it. My parents were divorced when I was 12 years old, I am the first born in my family. My mother`s side of the family is christian from Edmonton where I have been now for the last 4 years, my father`s side of the family from Vancouver is Hell`s Angel`s, east end chapter. I was with mom when they divorced, she had no control over me. I quit school at 12 years old. Married at 16 years old. Life was very hard at that time, with a wife and 2 babies to support. I had to make a choice between mom or dad. I choose dad. You may now see what my life consisted of for the next 20 years by choosing dad and his side of the family. There would be no point for me having regrets with this because I know understand it was God`s will for me. Unbelievable!! but all so true. Satan always`s run`s my past in my face, and I try to get even with him by running his future in his face. Two weeks ago I had something stolen from my car. I saw who did it and know where he lives. I could have called the police and let them deal with him. But my past caught up with me and I decided to take good care of that puppy myself, my way. He is a drug dealer and works the streets, I sat in my car the other day and watched him for two hours trying to decide what to do with him. He knew I was there and he was waiting for me. I ended up driving away burning like a piece of bacon. God would not let me do anything to him. (unbelievable) And that is my proof that God is working with me. UNBELIEVEABLE All I can say is thankyou Jesus.
           Bless you all              Ricky

Roy Martin:
Hey Ricky,
  I can only speak from experience and what I know about having a personal relationship with God that the good news in your post is that your moving forward.I think I know where your at in your journey, that someday you will look back on where you are and be able to see the blessing in it. Did you know that a new born baby doesnt know love and trust.Its a process that grows as its mother provides for it.
I know thats kind of a lame example but you get it. God is providing His work in you and you too will grow to trust Him. Its never as fast as we want it but even that is a growing process,a wonderful journey from what was and is and will be.
Peace
Roy Martin

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