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Why Did Jesus Miss one Passover? John 6:4
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---It is also very interesting that in John the Lord shared a supper with His disciples but in the other 3 Gospels He shared the Passover supper, could it be that this is telling us that the death of Christ the real Passover Lamb died once but it had a twofold or double effect? The salvation (of His elect) at His return and the 1st resurrection and also the salvation of those who must first experience the second death but ultimately obtain perfection and immortality as well. One Sacrifice with a 2 part (or double) result!
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I don't see it Joe. All four gospels are talking about the exact same events in the same order.
--- Quote ---the Lord shared a supper
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--- Quote ---He shared the Passover supper
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These refer to the same supper, not two suppers, unless I'm misunderstanding your intent.
Dennis
hillsbororiver:
Hi Dennis,
Let's review the scriptures that speak to this;
Mat 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Mat 26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Mar 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
Mar 14:14 And wheresoever he shall go say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Mar 14:15 And he will show you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.
Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
Luk 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Luk 22:12 And he shall show you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Now John's account;
Joh 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
Joh 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Joh 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
We see in verse 1; before the Passover and in verse 4 only a supper is mentioned not the Passover supper.
There is more;
Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Joh 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Interesting isn't it? In the first 3 Gospels Jesus partakes of the Passover supper with His disciples in the Gospel of John He is the Passover! Dying on that very day.....
Peace,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
I want to add another bit for consideration here, we have the Gospels of Matthew, Mark & Luke showing a sharing of Passover but in John Jesus is about as alone as anyone could possibly be, abandoned by His friends, scourged, mocked, etc. When Jesus instructed them to eat of His body could that be spiritually saying partake of my suffering, I am dying for you now you can (and will) die for me (daily)...
He is our example in all things;
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luk 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
It is all about sacrificing the flesh to gain the Spirit. If not in this age most certainly in the next.
Peace,
Joe
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 01, 2009, 02:24:17 PM ---Interesting isn't it? In the first 3 Gospels Jesus partakes of the Passover supper with His disciples in the Gospel of John He is the Passover! Dying on that very day.....
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Hey Joe,
While John has a different account, Christ is still the spiritual reality of the physical Passover in all of Matt, Mark, & Luke, right?
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 01, 2009, 10:12:24 AM ---It is also very interesting that in John the Lord shared a supper with His disciples but in the other 3 Gospels He shared the Passover supper, could it be that this is telling us that the death of Christ the real Passover Lamb died once but it had a twofold or double effect? The salvation (of His elect) at His return and the 1st resurrection and also the salvation of those who must first experience the second death but ultimately obtain perfection and immortality as well. One Sacrifice with a 2 part (or double) result!
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Could you help me understand how John's testimony of the last supper and Matt, Mark, & Luke's accounts of Passover are a 'double effect'? I thought the scriptures states that the one sacrifice [Christ] was for the remission of all sins in all mankind, not 2 parts [Matt 26:28 & 1 Cor 5:7]. Though we know every man (& woman) is saved in their own order [1 Cor 15:23 & 1 Cor 3:10-15].
Just trying to keep track with what exactly you're saying.
Thanks,
Marques
hillsbororiver:
Marques,
I believe you answered your own question within your post. ;) Yes, it is all about Christ first and foremost but as Ray writes throughout the LOF series (and beyond) the Lord is presently assembling His elect to carry forth the work that He began, the salvation of all! But there are two distinct stages/works/times. One ultimate sacrifice opened the door to man's salvation but He shares that work with those He chose to judge/purge now.
Rodger, you added to the scriptures as it is not mentioned Jesus ate Passover supper with the disciples, it is written they ate before Passover.
If indeed they ate the Passover supper the day before Christ stood before Pilate how could the following also be true?
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 01, 2009, 02:24:17 PM ---
Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Joh 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
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Peace,
Joe
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