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Why Did Jesus Miss one Passover? John 6:4
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 01, 2009, 05:51:05 PM ---Marques,
I believe you answered your own question within your post. ;) Yes, it is all about Christ first and foremost but as Ray writes throughout the LOF series (and beyond) the Lord is presently assembling His elect to carry forth the work that He began, the salvation of all! But there are two distinct stages/works/times. One ultimate sacrifice opened the door to man's salvation but He shares that work with those He chose to judge/purge now.
Rodger, you added to the scriptures as it is not mentioned Jesus ate Passover supper with the disciples, it is written they ate before Passover.
If indeed they ate the Passover supper the day before Christ stood before Pilate how could the following also be true?
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 01, 2009, 02:24:17 PM ---
Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
Joh 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
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Peace,
Joe
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What Rodger is pointing out is that the 'supper' mentioned in John 13 is the same passover supper mentioned in Matt 26, Mark 14, & Luke 22...here are witnesses to 2 events that are recorded in all 4 books:
Jesus stating at the Passover that one of the disciples would betray Him
Matt 26:17 & 21 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus...And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
Mark 14:12 & 18 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover...And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me
Luke 22:15 & 21 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer...But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
John 13:21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
Jesus stating Peter would deny Him 3 times before the cock crowed
(Matt, Mark, & Luke all mention Passover earlier in same chapters; John says 'supper')
Matt 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mark 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Luke 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.
John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
One other thing...if John is stating in his accounts these events happening on a different day, that would be John saying Christ died on a different day than what Matt, Mark, & Luke stated...as Christ was taken into captivity that night after the Passover and crucified the next day as it was light out.
Just some things I noticed... :)
Marques
EKnight:
I don't know anything about Passover and the Jewish laws so forgive me if this sounds stupid but, is it possible that in....
Joh 18:28 Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.
....that it was the first day of the feast but those that led Jesus just had not yet eaten their passover meal? Not all meals have to be eaten at the same time do they? And Christ was taken into custody that same day and then crucified the following day?
I could be totally off here because like I said, I truly have no knowledge of the rules of Passover. ??? ???
Eileen
Akira329:
Hey Eileen!
Read Exodus chapter 12
It shows a good explanation of the passover and feast of unleavened bread.
Remember: Jesus is our passover lamb.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Antaiwan
hillsbororiver:
Hi Folks,
I appreciate the responses here very much, any time I post something such as this my intent is not to teach or convince or even seek agreement, my motivation is for us to open our bibles and prayerfully seek His wisdom, certainly not mine.
When you read through the first 3 Gospels it is absolutely clear Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover supper together, read through it again, carefully. In the John account it is not stated that this was the Passover supper, it is only written as a supper. Now if we contemplate why there is a difference rather than bend over backwards attempting to make them harmonious we just might be missing the reason the Spirit inspired John to write the words the way he did. It would appear that there is a one day difference in the accounts, remember these Spirit inspired Words do not necessarily have to be literal, the spiritual Truths contained in His Word are much more powerful than any historical timeline.
We know that there is one process the Lord is using to bring forth His elect and another process Christ and His elect will employ to bring humanity into His Kingdom. Getting back to this apparent one day difference between John and the other Gospels and how this may (on a deeper level) be telling us the time lapse between these two works of salvation (even though only one sacrifice by our Lord was required). It is written that there are two resurrections or harvests but that ultimately the death of our Lord is sufficient for both groups, what time frame seperates these two events?
Could Peter be clueing us in on what message hides behind this one day difference and what is might possibly represent?
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Keep this in mind as well;
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
The entire bible is a parable....
Peace,
Joe
Kat:
For Jesus to have eating the Passover meal a day early would have been very significant as the Jews were sticklers about keeping their rituals to the letter. I find that it not being noted in the Scriptures indicative that He did not do anything unusual.
The Passover is not a Holy day to the Jews as the Sabbath is, it is only considered a 'feast day.' Neither was there a preparation day for the Passover, as it always is for the Sabbath. The preparing and making ready the Passover (as it was not a Holy day)was on the same day it was eaten. So could it be that this day in question, they were preparing the Passover meal as well as preparing for the Sabbath. So that could be why we have this statement in John.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Since the Jewish start their day at sundown. Jesus and His disciples could have eating their Passover meal in the evening and the Passover would still be taking place the day of His trial. The course of events could have happened as it is in the Scripture with the weekly sabbath day (Holy day) drawing on and it being the end of that Passover day, when Jesus was on the cross.
Now this is just what I understand and hope it helps.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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