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pets in God's kingdom
buckhunter:
Just curious-will we who are in the first resurection be able to resurrect our pets? My wife and I have a couple of dogs that we love and I was wondering if there will be "spiritual" pets in God's kingdom. I know Ray is partial to cats but has never mentioned anything about them. I haven't posted in a while but am still here. I also received an e-mail from Ray after Dennis told how sick he was.
Jim C.
Marky Mark:
Jim C,
Hello, here is an email to Ray on said question.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3933.0.html
Hi Mr. Smith: I've lost my two precious Boston Terriers within the past 3 years and I miss them so much. Do our pets go to heaven? Do they go anywhere?
Thank you,
Cyndy Black
Dear Cyndy:
No, pets do not go to heaven, when they die and neither do we. The dead don't go anywhere. This is just another pagan doctrine of the Church. All consciousness ends at death. However, no one knows that they are dead. We all will, to some degree, go through or experience dying, by no one will ever experience death itself, as we have this Scriptural assurance: "The living know that they shall die, but the dead know not ANYTHING." (Ecc. 9:5). The ONLY hope of the dead is the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. This has been in our Bibles for many centuries, but the Church denies it, hence it is not taught as an important doctrine.
At death, our spirit returns to God, but the spirit has not consciousness. The consciousness is called "soul," but the soul dies at death, and the body returns to the dust. In resurrection God puts our spirit back into a NEW body and we once again experience soul--life and animation.
We are told nothing regarding our pets except this; " For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as the one dies, so dies the other;yes, they have all one breath; so that a man has no preeminence above a beast for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows [whether] the spirit of man [men] goes upward, and [whether] the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth?" (Ecc. 3:19-21).
Now you know as much as I do. I too lost my favorite cat a year ago.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: buckhunter on March 07, 2009, 03:13:35 PM ---Just curious-will we who are in the first Resurrection be able to resurrect our pets? My wife and I have a couple of dogs that we love and I was wondering if there will be "spiritual" pets in God's kingdom. I know Ray is partial to cats but has never mentioned anything about them. I haven't posted in a while but am still here. I also received an e-mail from Ray after Dennis told how sick he was.
Jim C.
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Hi Jim C,
Just a point on the highlighted part of your question. We (none of us know) that we will, or will not be in the First Resurrection.
Scripture says:
Mat 10:22 (KJV)
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
2Co 1:13 (KJV)
For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
1Pe 1:13 (KJV)
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
Here is a paper below from Ray that should be read:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7047.0.html
Excerpt from: CAN WE LOSE GOD’S SPIRIT AND EONIAN LIFE? . . . . Biblestudy March 2008
Reader: ‘This verse in John 3:36 tells me that who believes in Jesus has eternal life. Again there is no doubt to when or if but clearly states “has eternal life” i.e. now and again in:’
1John 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given [Greek aorist, ’gives’] us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
Rom 8:14-17 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!" 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, IF indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
Reader: ‘These verses in Romans explain it very clearly, they tell us:
a) If we are led by the Holy Spirit we are apart of Gods family.
b) We have been adopted into Gods family.
c) The Holy Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are in fact belong to God (now) and not in the future.
In 2 Cor. 1:21-22 it tells us that those that believe have been sealed as a pledge to us in that we have received salvation.’
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, 22 who also sealed [sealed - pass tense] us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
Reader: ‘In Eph. 1:13-14 we are told that we again are sealed with the Holy Spirit and has given us a pledge of our inheritance now - that is again our assurance that we have salvation now.’
13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed [pass tense] in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory.
Ray's comment: No, we do not have salvation now, what we have now is a “pledge” “with a view TO the redemption…” A “pledge and a view” are NOT possession. Did the Patriarchs “possess” their inheritance?
george ;D.
hillsbororiver:
Pro 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
Job 4:17 Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Does God "regardeth" the lives of animals less than we should?
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
He spoke it.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Not a wasted Word was spoken in creation.
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Luk 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Peace,
Joe
arion:
Just a thought for consideration. Many of the things that are important to us now will they still be important once we (if we are in the first resurrection) are resurrected with a spiritual body and all the vestages of sin and corruption are removed? It is written that eye has not seen nor ear heard what God has prepared for those who love him. I love my german shepherd but somehow I don't think that much of what matters to me now will matter to me then.
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