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An Experience of Evil, Why?

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indianabob:
Great response Deb,

These statements of God's plan and purpose almost stand on their own without being referred to as scripture.  Even non believers would consider them gravely if they were presented as the thoughts of "another" philosopher.

Thanks for sharing.  Bob




--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 19, 2009, 01:48:47 PM ---
The beast of supposed "free will" which is really self-will, does not want to leave peaceabley! It takes the very presence of Jesus Christ to dispel the beast of humanistic self-determinism... http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html


There are only three possibiliteis as to why....quote

Why there is evil and tragedy in the world;

Why people do evil things to other people;

Why the innocent must suffer at the hands of the wicked;

Why people are born with debilitating defects;

Why the whole world lies in spiritual darkness and paganism;

Why billions live and die without ever hearing the name of Jesus Christ their Creator and Saviour;

Why men are often tortured by providence and nature itself which operates completely and independently apart from any man.

When we understand these things we will understand the lake of fire and second death, and a thousand other things that happen in our lives today as well as in the lives of all humanity since Mother Eve!

http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html

We have to understand being humbled is the result of having our self-determination or sence of SELF, being driven and that quote..

like a real flogging. God will chasten us until He drives out the beast in us. The beast of supposed "free will" which is really self-will does not want to leave peaceably! It takes the very presence of Jesus Christ to dispel the beast of humanistic self-determinism, commonly called "free will."

Although we are not condemned when God judges us, we nonetheless must be chastened. ....

God "judges" us by "chastening "(paideuo) us, which means, teaching, training, learning, disciplining, punishing, instructing, and educating. And God "graces" us also by this same "chastening" (paideuo) which does not change meaning from one Scripture verse to another. Notice how other translations render this word paideuo in Titus 2:11-12:

"Teaching us..." King James

"Instructing us..." American Standard Version

"Disciplining us... New Testament (Henry Alford)

"And schooling us..." The Centenary Translation (Montgomery)

"Training us..." The New Testament in Modern Speech (Weymouth)
http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html

Arc





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1eyebri:
something i stumbled on and thought was interesting.

1 pet. 1:6 wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: (kjv)

many trials  in the version george posted.

i looked up that word temptations/trials there in strongs and it suggests expierment of good and experience of evil.

probably no big deal but interesting that good as an expierment and evil as an experience.

just been thinking about this alot in the last week since i first read this thread. might be grasping at straws here looking for something that isn't there. i would welcome any thoughts on this.

       brian

aqrinc:
Hi Brian,

Can't see the straws you are trying to grasp, but That experience of evil, is part of
our training to become like our Creator. Remember these Scriptures in Romans, read those verses
a few times or read all of Romans Ch:8.

Rom 8: 17-25 (Darby)
17  And if children, heirs also: heirs of God, and Christ's joint heirs; if indeed we suffer with him , that we may also be glorified with him .
18  For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the coming glory to be revealed to us.
19  For the anxious looking out of the creature expects the revelation of the sons of God:
20  for the creature has been made subject to vanity, not of its will, but by reason of him who has subjected the same , in hope
21  that the creature itself also shall be set free from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
22  For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails in pain together until now.
23  And not only that , but even *we* ourselves, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we also ourselves groan in ourselves, awaiting adoption, that is the redemption of our body.
24  For we have been saved in hope; but hope seen is not hope; for what any one sees, why does he also hope?
25  But if what we see not we hope, we expect in patience.

george. :)

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