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Terry:
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« on: March 06, 2009, 08:10:30 AM » Quote
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Hi Everyone,
What is this verse saying ? How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if there raised in the GWTJ after it happens ?
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Any help would be appreciated.
-Matt
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I understand that Peter, John and James saw Christ in a vision but my question is from the question above (How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if there raised in the GWTJ after it happens ? So my question is can't Peter,John and James or anyone else in Christ at that time be in the first resurrection when Christ appears?
I've always thought that all in Christ wheather before his birth or after would be in the first ressurection.
In His Love
Terry
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Terry
Excerpt from Hell Part E - Hades and the second death. http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm
WHEN DO GOD'S ELECT DIE ONCE BEFORE THEIR SECOND DEATH?
But how do the Elect "die once but after this Judgment?" It rather seems that they would receive Judgment [in this life], and then after this [judgment] they would once die. No, the sequence is the same for the Elect as it is for the wicked: "And it is appointed unto men [including the Elect] once to die, but after this [after this necessary 'once to die' declaration, then follows...], Judgment" (Heb. 9:27). And what did we learn Judgment is? Why, THE SECOND DEATH. There can only be a "second" death if it is first preceded by another death.
Now for the second part of the Heb. 9:27 riddle: When and how do God's Elect die "ONCE" before their SECOND death Judgment? Some of you should already be ahead of me with all the hints I have given you, but for the rest who haven't figured it out yet, you will maybe feel a little embarrassed when you see the answer, so here it is:
"Know ye not [no, of course the majority of Christendom 'knows not,' and that is why the physical aspects of baptism is so important to them...] ...know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into DEATH" (Rom. 6:3-4).
There is the answer to how God's Elect must "once die" before their "Second death Judgment."
The carnal world dies when they breathe their last and go down into the grave. God's Elect die when they are "baptized into death.". After resurrection from the dead, the world will enter into Judgment. And what about us--God's Elect? When do we enter into Judgment? Same way, when we are resurrected from the dead through baptism.
"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection" (Rom. 6:4).
GOD'S ELECT MUST DIE THE SECOND DEATH IN FIRE
We would do well to review lessons we learned in the "Lake of Fire" Installment 3, Judgment by Fire Must Begin at the House of God, and Installment 6, The Two Judgments by FIRE, and Installment 16, D-3, The Sermon on the Mount is for YOU.
Regarding being in Christ.
.....our Lord is going to save many times more sinners after death than before death!
http://bible-truths.com/lake4.html
Arc
Terry:
Thanks Arc i'm going to have to chew on that for a while.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Terry on March 15, 2009, 12:59:01 PM ---titus21115
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« on: March 06, 2009, 08:10:30 AM » Quote
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Hi Everyone,
What is this verse saying ? How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if there raised in the GWTJ after it happens ?
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Any help would be appreciated.
-Matt
---------------------------------------------------------------
I understand that Peter, John and James saw Christ in a vision but my question is from the question above (How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if there raised in the GWTJ after it happens ? So my question is can't Peter,John and James or anyone else in Christ at that time be in the first resurrection when Christ appears?
I've always thought that all in Christ wheather before his birth or after would be in the first ressurection.
In His Love
Terry
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Hi Terry,
Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding your question. First off I do not know where the idea that Peter, John, etc. would not be present at His return, yes they will be in their graves prior to that moment but look at what Paul writes;
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent(G5348) them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
G5348
φθάνω
phthanō
fthan'-o
Apparently a primary verb; to be beforehand, that is, anticipate or precede; by extension to have arrived at: - (already) attain, come, prevent.
We see that those who are alive at Christ's return do not preceed the dead in Christ, they do not see Him beforehand but this happens simultaniously, the dead in Christ (the saved/elect) along with (the saved/elect) who are alive "meet our Lord in the air."
Peace,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Terry
It may sound very difficult to understand the brief excerpt that I have posted to you.
Perhaps it would be far easier to comprehend if you just go to the teaching in its fullness and start at the beginning. Just click on http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm and enjoy.
Grace be with you
Arc
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