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kenny:
who are the chosen /elect
i have asked this queastion for years now and this fourm is the only place that can handle that queastion, it already has, 43 pages of elect postPages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43
, 41 pages of chosen postsPages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41
i have looked at quite a few of these, not all (yet) now i have a new queastion
WHY ARE WE THE CHOSEN/ELECT
mharrell08:
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2059.msg16747.html#msg16747):
Dear Kelly:
Those whom God has foreordained to be the elect will always be the elect. The chosen elect cannot be lost. But you and I do not know exactly who is and who isn't an elect. Only God's knows those who are His, and therefore, we can never let down our guard, because we might only think that we are elect. I have seen and witnessed this with my own eyes where those who appeared to be elect, turned and now blaspheme the name of the Saviour they claimed to worship a short while back.
Sorry, don't know of any books that you can read on this subject.
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7931.msg63372.html#msg63372):
Dear Sara: We need to be careful about assuming the meaning of words, and then changing them to different words. The Scriptures say that God is no "respecter of persons." And Strong define this as "partiality," and you then change it to "favoritism." But aren't they all one and the same? No, there are similarities, the they are different. Surely God does not respect a one person over another because of some inherent goodness of one over the other. But that does not mean that He does not "favor" one over the other, He does. "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Where there something about the person of Jacob that God liked better than Esau? No, God made that decision BEFORE THEY WERE BORN.
And so God does show favor or favoritism, but it is not based on "partiality" or "respecting of persons." God's "Elect" are the ones He has "favored," and that is how Strong defines "elect." So God chooses and blesses different people at different times according to His purpose, but none of it is based on any "respect" that God has toward one person over another.
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,93.msg309.html#msg309):
Dear Doug:
The chosen, few, elect, overcomes in this church age are promised "eonian" life with Christ during the oncoming eons. The rest of humanity will NOT be given rulership in the Kngdom of God during the eons or ever. That's the difference.
God be with you,
Ray
Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1529.msg12918.html#msg12918):
Dear Laura:
The "Kingdom of God" is the kingdom that will rule the nations under the Kingship of Jesus Christ, composed of lesser kings, lords, priests, and judges. These kings, lords, priests, and judges, are composed of the ranks of God's Chosen Elect Saints.
Only those worthy of the First resurrection from the death will ever rule with Christ in the Kingdom of God. Those who are judged, purified and saved in the Great White Throne Judgment will be in God's family, but they will never be rulers with Christ.
And don't ask any more detailed questions on this, because it would take hours to answer you, and I just don't have the time. Much of this material is already covered in my Lake of Fire series. Hope you understand.
God be with you,
Ray
Marques
Akira329:
Hey Kenny,
I don't quite understand your question?
Are you asking forum members why they are the chosen/elect or are you asking why does there have to be a chosen/elect?
As for the first part, I know no one has ever claimed to be chosen/elect because how could they know unless they died and was resurrected to immortality in their new glorious spiritual body. I don't know anyone who has achieved this state of being except for Christ.
As for the second part, sounds like a good question.
Definitely don't want to short change you an answer.
You should keep reading more particularly the lake of fire series seeing as the lake of fire has a lot to do with the elect of God.
Antaiwan
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: kenny on March 18, 2009, 07:08:00 AM --- who are the chosen /elect
i have asked this queastion for years now and this fourm is the only place that can handle that queastion, it already has, 43 pages of elect postPages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43
, 41 pages of chosen postsPages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41
i have looked at quite a few of these, not all (yet) now i have a new queastion
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That sounds like a loaded question,no one on the face of the earth can answer that(no one knows the who) ???.
As to why our Father has seen fit to select a group of the few chosen out of the many called, well, I would have to think that it is because He has a plan and that His plan involves His chosen elect ;D.
Peace...Mark
Kat:
Hi Kenny,
I think when your eyes have been opened to this truth, you have to know that. So few in the church ever have their eyes opened and can see the deceptions there. But that is just the first step, as in the parable of the sower, so very few continue on to produce fruit. Only God knows who is His and will be among those very few Elected to endure to the end. Whoever those Elect are they can not be lost, as they have been chosen from the foundation of the world.
Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
v. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
v. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
v. 30 I and My Father are one."
I love these verses in John, it gives me hope that IF I am one of the few then it is not up to my own pitiful efforts, He will make sure I make it.
Here is a excerpt form 'What Happened to the Church Jesus Built?' article no. 8.
http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html -------------------
THE "CALLED" AND THE "NOT CALLED"
"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many [some, but not many] wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
But God has chosen the foolish things [many translations do not insert the word "things" in these verses] of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And the base things of the world, and things which are despised, has God chosen, yes, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: that no flesh should glory in His presence" (I Cor. 1:26-29).
So we see that God calls MOSTLY those who are: weak, base, despised, nothings! Are we to believe that God is going to build a SPIRITUAL ARMY of Sons and Daughters by which He will conquer and SAVE THE WORLD?
Hard to believe, isn’t it? I think we can all agree that there is a great deal of work to be done with and to these "nothings of the world" whom God is calling to such a formidable, once-in-an-eternity task!
But of the "many called," we are told, "few are chosen" (Matt. 20:16). Why is that? God has intended it to be such. We are given the parable of the "sower of seed" where much of the seed fell by the side of the tilled soil, and the birds ate it; some had no depth and withered in the sun; still more fell among thorns and were chocked, but some fell upon good soil and produced much fruit. Many seed are sown, but few seed produce good fruit. "Seed" we see everywhere in the Church; "fruit" of God’s spirit is more rare. These few have the added designation of:
"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14).
These are the "very elect" who cannot be deceived any longer
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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