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elect/chosen
kenny:
Marques
thanks for the links and i do understand that the detailed answer would take hours(i have spent hours/days,months) on it before i came to this forum and had to go back and look at all my notes and then compare them with what i am learning here. it is really cool and not to mention hearing about and finding the CLV.
Antaiwan
there is no short change on this forum and you can bet one thing for sure i have rea the lof seireies and many others and will read them again for there is so muc to glean from them and only a short time left
Mark
it was loaded and i promise i will not load another one i will just drop the bomb
Kat
that was beautiful and you nailed it
These are the "very elect" who cannot be deceived any longer
i will just add this
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---Hi Kenny,
I think when your eyes have been opened to this truth, you have to know that you have been 'chosen.'
Kat
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Kat,
Are you saying that if a person is aware of the Truths of God that they are automatically chosen to be one of the few chosen/elect?
I understand the rest of the answer that you gave Kenny,but this opening sentence has me a little baffled.
Peace...Mark
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on March 18, 2009, 02:46:39 PM ---
--- Quote ---Hi Kenny,
I think when your eyes have been opened to this truth, you have to know that you have been 'chosen.'
Kat
--- End quote ---
Kat,
Are you saying that if a person is aware of the Truths of God that they are automatically chosen to be one of the few chosen/elect?
I understand the rest of the answer that you gave Kenny,but this opening sentence has me a little baffled.
Peace...Mark
--- End quote ---
Hello Mark,
I'm sure Kat can answer for herself, but I just thought this could help:
One is chosen or 'elected' out of Babylon but that does not mean it's a done deal. It is, as we all know, those who 'endure to the end' or as the scriptures state '...they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful' [Rev 17:14].
But yes, those who are drawn to Christ and chosen by Him [John 6:44 & 15:16] are considered 'chosen' though they must remain 'faithful' until the end to be in the 1st Resurrection.
Even Ray has stated in letters to the forum (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9324.msg78481.html#msg78481), 'Dear Forum and Elect of God', but that does not mean he or anyone else knows, for sure, that they are in the 1st Resurrection but he and others can tell who God has chosen to share His doctrine with. That's all
Hope that helps,
Marques
aqrinc:
Just my 2 cents, no one is assured of being The Elect; Unless they persevere to The End.
Mar 13:13
Everyone will hate you because of me. But whoever holds out to the end will be saved.
Heb 6:11
Our great desire is that each of you keep up your eagerness to the end, so that the things you hope for will come true.
Rev 2:26
To those who win the victory, who continue to the end to do what I want, I will give the same authority that I received from my Father: I will give them authority over the nations, to rule them with an iron rod and to break them to pieces like clay pots. I will also give them the morning star.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html
Excerpt from: How Hard is Getting Saved? . . . . . . Nashville Conference 2005
So you have a scripture that says, “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved, (Acts 2:21)” And that’s true. But you have to know what it means. And Christians will pick out a verse like that and say, “This is all you have to do…” They find the scripture with the lowest common denominator, with the least amount to do, and if it says that will save you than they say, “That’s it, that’s the one I want!” You see, they want that simple one.
But then in Acts 6:31, it says “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.”
Well which is it? CALL upon the name of the Lord, or BELIEVE in Jesus Christ….and then you’ll be saved.
Well then in Mark 16:16, it says, “He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.”
Well, now we are getting down to it…(counts off on his fingers): You call upon the name of the Lord, you believe on the name of the Lord, you’re baptized and then…..?? You’ll be saved, right? Well, that is if there were no more scriptures.
But then we have a scripture in John 10:9 that says, “I am the door, by Me if any man enter he shall be saved.” Well what if you don’t enter by the door? If Christ is the door and you have to enter in at the door to be saved, if you don’t enter in at the door can you be saved? Well, I wouldn’t think so.
And then we have in Ephesians 2:8, “For by grace, are you saved, through faith”
Now let me see if I’ve got this straight:
1. believe on the name of the Lord
2. call on the name of the Lord
3. be baptized
4. enter in at the door of Christ
5. and then by grace
6. through faith
…….and then I will be saved. Right? Wrong Paleface, because there’s more!
1 Cor 1:21, “It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe”
So now I’ve got to:
1. believe on the name of the Lord
2. call on the name of the Lord
3. be baptized
4. enter in at the door of Christ
5. and then by grace
6. through faith
7. and now I’ve got to listen to the foolishness of Ray Smith before I can be saved???
I mean, is he serious? It PLEASED God, it isn’t that He allows it, that it’s like the lowest form of getting saved. No, it PLEASES God to save those that believe by the foolishness of people like me. The FOOLISHNESS, not the great wisdom…..the foolishness of preaching will save you!
george. :)
Kat:
Thanks Marques and George you both have explained it so well. Just a few Scritures to add to it.
"These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful" (Rev. 17:14).
The church believes they are the chosen. But they are the "called," they are still blind to the truth. The "chosen" are those that come out of the church, because your eyes are opened, but those He has chosen will also be "faithful" to the end.
God knows whom are the Elect. He shows them their first love of Christ in the church. He at some point chooses to drags them out of the church and by Christ indwelling they will endure to the end. So only God knows who these Elect are that He will assure to be "faithful" to the end.
None of us know if we are the Elect and will make it, God does. Only the one that stays in the race to the end will be in the first resurrection. If we fall by the wayside at any point we are not, nor ever were the Elect.
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.
Even though it all depends on God, we can not let up, we must "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Php 2:12). Paul warns us so much about being complacent and getting caught up in the cares of this world, because of what can happen.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
v. 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
v. 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Hope this addition helps.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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