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elect/chosen
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on March 18, 2009, 04:13:28 PM --- I think the confusion may lie with how one defines the word elect.It would seem that just because one may be chosen that it does not imply that that same person can now be called the elect.Can elect and few chosen be interchanged? There lies the confusion ,with me at least.
--- End quote ---
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
1 Thess 1:3-4 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.
Paul seemed to use them interchangeably, so I do the same, personally. Obviously, if these saints of Colossians and Thessalonians did not endure to the end, they will not be in the 1st Resurrection. But at this moment, they were on the path and Paul told them as much.
Notice also what Peter says:
2 Pet 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Again, these saints are on the narrow path that leads to eonian life, but they must be diligent in making their election sure. And the Lord does this in the lives of His elect as they will not be deceived [Matt 24:24].
Like Ray, I would have no qualms about saying that those chosen out of the church are 'chosen' and 'elect(ed)' by God...as they did not choose Christ on their own, He chose them. But I would not be saying that, for sure, they would be in the 1st Resurrection as how could one know who endures 'til the end until the end actually comes.
Just the name itself is humbling...Elect(ed). No one decides...they must be elected or chosen by God...and even then, they won't know for sure until the end. :)
Hope this helps,
Marques
aqrinc:
Hi Mark,
The three Scriptures i previously quoted are like so many more that show it. We must
finish the race, endure to the end, persevere even to the end to Get a Crown of life.
Mar 13:13
Everyone will hate you because of me. But whoever holds out to the end will be saved.
Heb 6:11
Our great desire is that each of you keep up your eagerness to the end, so that the things you hope for will come true.
Rev 2:26
To those who win the victory, who continue to the end to do what I want, I will give the same authority that I received from my Father: I will give them authority over the nations, to rule them with an iron rod and to break them to pieces like clay pots. I will also give them the morning star.
george ;D
daywalker:
WHY ARE WE THE CHOSEN/ELECT
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Hey Kenny,
IF you are a Chosen/Elect, it's only because:
John 15:16:
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you,...
But don't ever let yourself become haughty, yet remain humble, because...
II Timothy 2:19:
... ‘The LORD knows those who are His,' ...
You don't know. I don't know. Only GOD KNOWS. We only know what we know right now... We don't even know what will happen tomorrow [or even in the next hour, for that matter...].
Hope this answers your question, friend.
- Daywalker.
kenny:
Daywalker
my freind your advice and scipture is well recieved and i have been reading your post's and i think i love you my freind (as a brother that is).
i have been trying to share many of the things that are posted here on the BT with many people in the building churches only to be rejected, told that i need to go back and read that again because thats not what that says, you don't know what your talking about and would you please find another church to fellowship with you don't fit in here.
then my freind roy sent me a web site that he got some stuff from that we had been talking about and low and behold my first post was not rejected, i was led to scipture that backs up what i posted and given more scipture on top of that, then affirmed in so many of my studies from RAY, (THANK YOU JESUS FOR TRUE MEN OF GOD) and the BT gang, that i feel like i am fixen to explode.
THIS VIRTUAL CHURCH IS OF GOD, ABOUT GOD AND ABOUT THE TRUTH.
i read the other day where ray and dennis were talking and ray told dennis that he guessed it was time to take the kid gloves off.
i think he did
Dennis Vogel:
Kathy said:
--- Quote ---I think when your eyes have been opened to this truth, you have to know that you have been 'chosen.'
--- End quote ---
We need to be careful about using the word 'chosen.'
You can be 'blessed' to understand many truths, but that does not mean you are indeed one of the chosen.
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