Hey there lesur
don't be too hasty to consign anyone to eternal torment
do you really believe the Father of all mercies is so incompetent, as to have to resort to torture ??
is that your opinion of God ??
is that how Saul became Paul ??
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55
But he turned, and rebuked them, and said,
Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luk 9:56
For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
come on lesur couldn't the fire Jesus spoke of be spiritual allegory, do you insist it is literal flame ??
has nothing ever burned but not been consumed ??
how many were in the fire with one as the Son of God ??
our God is a consuming fire, come on lesur
Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose,
walking in the midst of the fire, and
they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like
the Son of God.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
come on lesur think again
Jesus is Lord !
does He seem to you to be a "torture them" kind of guy?
i hear Him this way
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
or what about this word
Mar 9:49 For
every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
well how about it beloved lesur ? peter paul, james and john, all salted with fire and very much the better for the experience !!
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the
fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are
partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
sorry lesur but you will have to rethink your list of proof verses
i know something of the fire of God
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?
for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3
And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall
purify the sons of Levi, and
purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
well i am in your debt lesur
you have reminded me of how great a mercy God is showing me in His righteous judgement
sorry to chide you so lesur, you provoke me in love
as the verses cited above clearly show there is a whole lot more to the fire than you or i know at present, please reconsider the possibilities
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