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Ever notice this?
Daniel:
I wanted to share something but before I do that I had to ask of this thing to clear one thing first because it would most likely be the wall to hurdle the thought (in my thinking).
Did you guys ever notice two comparable traits concerning Gods anger or wrath and Satan himself? Both are either for a "moment" or "his time is short". Take for instance David numbering Isreal as one example.
Concerning David numbering Isreal notice it says "THE ANGER" of the LORD was kindled against Israel, Yet SATAN stood AGAINST Isreal. Both The Anger of the Lord and Satan are seen here right?
Remember when Paul said, "God will judge those without" but he handed over that "wicked servant" unto Satan and put him out?
"Woe to you" is associated with Him :lol: Yet at the same time "short" and but "for a moment" as both Satan and/or Gods wrath (anger) is.
Ever notice that?
Did you also ever notice in the parable of the servant that was "forgiven" this "same servant" went out and had no mercy on his fellowservants "tresspass"? That the wicked servant (who had himself been forgiven) laid hands on the one who tresspassed and handed him over to prison?
To whom did His Lord hold accountable the one who tresspassed or the one who had not forgiven? I have a point trust me, I'm just wondering about a couple things because this has been on my mind recently. Paul adresses this man in both epistles 1 and 2 Corinthians and Paul being an ensample as He himself speaks can be seen in the parable especially in the wording. I'll ask you guys first.
Daniel
Andy_MI:
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Did you also ever notice in the parable of the servant that was "forgiven" this "same servant" went out and had no mercy on his fellowservants "tresspass"? That the wicked servant (who had himself been forgiven) laid hands on the one who tresspassed and handed him over to prison?
To whom did His Lord hold accountable the one who tresspassed or the one who had not forgiven? I have a point trust me, I'm just wondering about a couple things because this has been on my mind recently. Paul adresses this man in both epistles 1 and 2 Corinthians and Paul being an ensample as He himself speaks can be seen in the parable especially in the wording. I'll ask you guys first.
Daniel
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Hi Daniel,
I'd have to say that the Lord held accountable the one who had not forgiven.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have aught against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Andy
Daniel:
Andy I see it the same way. I have a "wait on this one" but it was building a bit because there are a few questionable places in it. Its the only one that is throwing my judgment study into a spin. If it does that I need to look closer at it, I understand that so I'm doing "just that".
In Mathew 18, the parable starts out as one being forgiving a debt he could not pay right?
Mathew 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.[/u] (because he could not "pay it" it was forgiven right?)
Now listen...
Math 18:28 But the SAME SERVANT went out, and found one of his FELLOW SERVANTS, which owed him an hundred pence: and he LAID HANDS ON HIM, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Math 18:29 And his fellow servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, HAVE PATIENCE WITH ME, and I will pay thee all.
A fellow servant, handed over?
1Cr 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? Do you not judge those that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore PUT AWAY THE WICKED PERSON from among you
Math 18:30 And HE WOULD NOT; but "cast him into prison", till he should pay the debt.
Math 18:31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, THEY WERE VERY SORRY, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
2Cr 2:2 For IF I MADE YOU SORRY, who is he then that maketh me glad, BUT THE SAME WHICH IS MADE SORRY BY ME?[/u]
Giving an "Account" of yourself, judged by The Lord, the wicked servant is NOT FORGIVING the TRESSPASS.
Math 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, "I FORGAVE THEE" ALL THAT DEBT, because thou desiredst me:
Math 18:32 SHOULDEST THOU NOT ALSO have HAD COMPASSION on THY FELLOW SERVANT, even as I had pity on thee?
Math 18:34 And HIS LORD WAS WROTH, and delivered him TO THE TORMENTORS, "till" he should pay all that was "due unto him".
Romans 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; (God is not a respecter of persons)
2Cr 2:4-6 FOR OUT OF MUCH ANGUISH OF HEART I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved,but that "ye might know the love" which I HAVE MORE ABUNDANTLY UNTO YOU. But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: THAT I MIGHT NOT OVERCHARGE YOU. Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.
Math 18:25 So likewise shall my heavenly Father DO ALSO UNTO YOU, IF YE FROM YOUR HEARTS FORGIVE NOT every one "his brother" THEIR TRESSPASSES.[/u]
Change of mind
2Cr 2:7 So that CONTRARYWISE you OUGHT TO FORGIVE HIM, and COMFORT, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
2Cr 2:8 Wherefore I BESEECH YOU that ye would CONFIRM YOUR LOVE TOWARD HIM.[/u]
2Cr 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.[/u]
2Cr 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ[/u]
2Cr 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
The very one Paul handed this man over to. See the comparisons between these, knowing Paul was an ensample to show the loving kindness of God, yet God not being a respecter of persons and God judging Paul not man? I'm not yet convinced. But as you picked up on the parable that it was NOT the man who trespassed who was accountable to the Lord but the one who did NOT forgive the tresspass. So one is seen as being wicked in the eyes of Paul, but in the parable the wicked man was he that "forgave not". See what I'm talking about? Then see the "change of mind in Paul" as He quickly admonishes them to forgive this man. No one received any damage and the other had felt ssorrowful for what he had done, so all was good in the end.
Just interesting thats all.
Daniel
eutychus:
Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loveth little.
Daniel:
--- Quote from: eutychus ---Luk 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, [the same] loveth little.
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Great verse Euty,
James 2:16 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Isaiah 28:6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.
1Cr 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
Isaiah 26:9 ... for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Daniel
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