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Sandyk:
Hey Everyone,

First off, I don't want to offend anyone with this post though I am offended by the following verses below.    Makes me wonder how many women have read the Bible when you hear scriptures regarding women in the Bible.   

I Corinthians 14;34  Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak;but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.

I Corinthians 14;35  And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. 

I Corinthians 7;13  But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes.  He does not sin; let them marry.  [/color] Timothy I  2;11  Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.

Timothy I  2;12  And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 

Timothy I  2;14  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 
(Excuse me, were they not both deceived Eve by the serpent and Adam by Eve? This was God's plan all along why punish women for this and not men as well? 


There are no female disciples or apostles.  It seems to me God is clearly stating that women are less valuable than men.  Actually, does say women are weaker.  Which explains all the sexism in the world today.   

Really, how are men suppose to respect women when in the Bible God does not consider them equal. Are we (women) not part of Adam who is made in the image of God, which in turn would make us also the image of God?

A virgin does not receive pleasure in sex just the man.  Child birth is also painful for women just like he said it would be.  No such pain is inflicted on Adam.

1 John 2:13, John says, "I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father." No mention is made of women.

Ephesians 5:22-24  Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

This is what we (women) get.  Its no wonder women suffer so much today.  I guess this is also why men can only rape women and not vice versa.  Sure, women have molested boys but a woman can not rape a man.   

God, is pretty much saying we are slaves to men. 

Good (Adam) Evil (Eve) or should I say Man=Good and Woman=Evil.  I am guessing this is how God came up with the name Eve short for evil. I guess Adam is short for Adamant (very hard native crystalline carbon valued as a gem).  Synonyms: diamond. (English) Actually, I know the real definitions in Hebrew but these fit just as well. 

To be honest it sounds like the Bible was composed by a bunch of sexist men. 

I am sure the men are not going to like this but hey God says that you are supreme to women so I am sure you will get over it because I am just a weak women who cares what I have to say.  As far as God is concerned I should just shut my mouth and submit.

I am pretty sure the few verses that I mentioned are not parables, but I am up for constructive critism.  If anyone has any logical reason why I should not feel so offended by God's all knowing plan for women on this earth?   

Sandyk






 

aqrinc:
Hi Sandyk,


Maybe a reading from this translation can clear up some of your questions. I am researching as i type so this is a first installment of my attempt to answer from The Scriptures. Trying to stay in the order of your questions so here goes, but notice that this is dealing with married couples. Also if you read 1st Cor: 7 1-21 first you get a better context of this book.

More to come as soon as i am able to get the information together. These are from (The Weymouth NT 1912)

1Co 14: 34-35 (WNT)
34  Let married women be silent in the Churches, for they are not permitted to speak. They must be content with a subordinate place, as the Law also says;
35  and if they wish to ask questions, they should ask their own husbands at home. For it is disgraceful (unbecomingjmnt, inappropriateisv) for a married woman to speak (preach or teach) at a Church assembly.


1Co 7: 1-21 (WNT)
1  I now deal with the subjects mentioned in your letter. It is well for a man to abstain altogether from marriage.
2  But because there is so much fornication every man should have a wife of his own, and every woman should have a husband.
3  Let a man pay his wife her due, and let a woman also pay her husband his.
4  A married woman is not mistress of her own person: her husband has certain rights. In the same way a married man is not master of his own person: his wife has certain rights.
5  Do not refuse one another, unless perhaps it is just for a time and by mutual consent, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer and may then associate again; lest the Adversary begin to tempt you because of your deficiency in self-control.
6  Thus much in the way of concession, not of command.
7  Yet I would that everybody lived as I do; but each of us has his own special gift from God--one in one direction and one in another.
8  But I tell the unmarried, and women who are widows, that it is well for them to remain as I am.
9  If, however, they cannot maintain self-control, by all means let them marry; for marriage is better than the fever of passion.
10  But to those already married my instructions are--yet not mine, but the Lord's--that a wife is not to leave her husband;
11  or if she has already left him, let her either remain as she is or be reconciled to him; and that a husband is not to send away his wife.
12  To the rest it is I who speak--not the Lord. If a brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, let him not send her away.
13  And a woman who has an unbelieving husband--if he consents to live with her, let her not separate from him.
14  For, in such cases, the unbelieving husband has become--and is--holy through union with a Christian woman, and the unbelieving wife is holy through union with a Christian brother. Otherwise your children would be unholy, but in reality they have a place among God's people.
15  If, however, the unbeliever is determined to leave, let him or her do so. Under such circumstances the Christian man or woman is no slave; God has called us to live lives of peace.
16  For what assurance have you, O woman, as to whether you will save your husband? Or what assurance have you, O man, as to whether you will save your wife?
17  Only, whatever be the condition in life which the Lord has assigned to each individual--and whatever the condition in which he was living when God called him--in that let him continue.
18  This is what I command in all the Churches. Was any one already circumcised when called? Let him not have recourse to the surgeons. Was any one uncircumcised when called? Let him remain uncircumcised.
19  Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing: obedience to God's commandments is everything.
20  Whatever be the condition in life in which a man was, when he was called, in that let him continue.
21  Were you a slave when God called you? Let not that weigh on your mind. And yet if you can get your freedom, take advantage of the opportunity.

Please read all below to get a better context of the verses you picked out. There is a whole lot of information on these subjects both on the forum and in Rays papers. It does take a large helping of study and Prayer to gain the understanding you are looking for.

1st Tim:2 8-15 (Rotherhams)
8 I am minded, therefore, that—the men in every place be offering prayer, uplifting hands of lovingkindness, apart from anger and disputings;
9 In the same way, that, the women, in seemly attire, with modesty and sober-mindedness, be adorning themselves,—not with plaitings and ornamentation of gold, or with pearls, or with costly apparel,—
10 But, which becometh women promising godliness, through means of good works.
11 Let, a woman, in quietness, be learning in all submission;
12 But, teaching—unto a woman, I do not permit, nor yet to have authority over a man, (husband) —but to be in quietness;
13 For, Adam, first was formed, then Eve,
14 And, Adam, was not deceived, whereas, the woman, having been wholly deceived, hath come to be, in transgression;
15 She shall be saved, however, through means of the child-bearing,—if they abide in faith, and love, and holiness, with sobermindedness. Faithful, the saying.

2Ti 3: 16-17 (KJV)
16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

george. :-\

judith collier:
Sandyk, if God called us women, called as in conversion, well, speak of what you hear from God, I guess just don't do it in church. Isn't there something in Isaiah that talks about in the latter days God would pour out His spirit on His daughters. I think so! It is hard to rationalize with men as we are different. Many men have an innate sense of what is going on and I know I have been deceived by them and other situations in my younger days. I also know I get further when I shut my mouth. Perhaps somehow God means this as protection for us as he knows the type of evil men have. But I also know and this by experience that God is Spirit and He is Love Itself. And He loved me as much as he ever loved any man. He is a consuming fire that does not burn the body.  There is no difference in Christ as far as His love goes, so take heart in this and enjoy your relationship with Him. Judy

walt123:
Hi sandyk

I was just listening to this audio on the road  this morning and was thinking it might be helpful
to your question.
http://bible-truths.com/audio/9-2-06MobileConf.2.mp3

Walt.

cherokee:
Hey Sandyk,

Here is a link to Ray's audio "Esther-The Destiny Of Woman" that should help.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5506.0.html

Here is a link to the transcript that Kat did of the audio.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5506.0.html

Suzie

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