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there is one that accuseth you, even Moses
Deedle:
Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
This has really got me thinking. I did a search on the word accuse and accuseth from this verse and it is very interesting.
The word is:
G2723
κατηγορέω
katēgoreō
Thayer Definition:
1) to accuse
1a) before a judge: to make an accusation
1b) of an extra-judicial accusation
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2725
Total KJV Occurrences: 22
accuse, 13
Mat_12:10, Mar_3:2, Luk_11:54, Luk_23:2, Luk_23:14, Joh_5:45, Joh_8:6, Act_24:2, Act_24:8, Act_24:13, Act_25:5, Act_25:11, Act_28:19
accused, 6
Mat_27:12, Mar_15:3, Luk_23:10, Act_22:30, Act_25:16, Rev_12:10
accuseth, 1
Joh_5:45
accusing, 1
Rom_2:15
object, 1
Act_24:19
What really got me thinking was this:
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Is there a connection between "the devil" and the law?
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Jud 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Zec 3:1 (REV)
And he shewed me, Joshua the high priest, standing before the messenger of Yahweh,-and, the Accuser, standing at his right hand, to accuse him. 2 Then said Yahweh unto the Accuser, Yahweh rebuke thee, O Accuser, Yea Yahweh rebuke thee, he who is choosing Jerusalem,-Is not, this, a brand snatched out of the fire? 3 Now, Joshua, was clothed with filthy garments,-though standing before the messenger.
Our righteousness [of the Law] are as filthy rags.
Isa 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Phi 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Some of the other posts got me thinking about this stuff. What do you guys and gals think?
Deedle :D
chrissiela:
hehe... you see that connection, too!?? :wink:
Between the law and wrath and Satan.... many more links there as well..... (the flesh, the tongue, the beast, etc). :shock:
This'll be a good thread!! :D (not ready to post yet, though, gotta go 'gather' some scriptures... :lol: :lol: )
Chrissie
mercie:
--- Quote from: Deedle ---Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
This has really got me thinking. I did a search on the word accuse and accuseth from this verse and it is very interesting.
The word is:
G2723
κατηγορέω
katēgoreō
Thayer Definition:
1) to accuse
1a) before a judge: to make an accusation
1b) of an extra-judicial accusation
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2725
Total KJV Occurrences: 22
accuse, 13
Mat_12:10, Mar_3:2, Luk_11:54, Luk_23:2, Luk_23:14, Joh_5:45, Joh_8:6, Act_24:2, Act_24:8, Act_24:13, Act_25:5, Act_25:11, Act_28:19
accused, 6
Mat_27:12, Mar_15:3, Luk_23:10, Act_22:30, Act_25:16, Rev_12:10
accuseth, 1
Joh_5:45
accusing, 1
Rom_2:15
object, 1
Act_24:19
What really got me thinking was this:
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Is there a connection between "the devil" and the law?
Rom 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Jud 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Zec 3:1 (REV)
And he shewed me, Joshua the high priest, standing before the messenger of Yahweh,-and, the Accuser, standing at his right hand, to accuse him. 2 Then said Yahweh unto the Accuser, Yahweh rebuke thee, O Accuser, Yea Yahweh rebuke thee, he who is choosing Jerusalem,-Is not, this, a brand snatched out of the fire? 3 Now, Joshua, was clothed with filthy garments,-though standing before the messenger.
Our righteousness [of the Law] are as filthy rags.
Isa 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Phi 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Some of the other posts got me thinking about this stuff. What do you guys and gals think?
Deedle :D
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Deedle
This may lead you to avenues you may have not come across before.
Out of Respect for whats taught here at Bible-Truths , it would be better for me to remain silent.
But ill leave you with this to ponder on.
Who was IT Christ called the sons of their Father?
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
He who hates his Brother is a Liar and a Murderer and the the TRUTH is Not in HIM
Maybe in your own study will you see the connections WATCH THE WORDING.
1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
Could it be we all were liars in the flesh , the purpose of New tongues being Given, all Things made New ?
Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged
1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
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1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Pro 17:4 A wicked doer giveth heed to false lips; [and] a liar giveth ear to a naughty tongue.
Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Psa 62:4 They only consult to cast [him] down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah.
Who ?those under law?
Rom 3:13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:
Psa 5:9 For [there is] no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part [is] very wickedness; their throat [is] an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Rom 2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God
Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Which leads us here
Christ is WISDOM
Job 38:36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
Christ is HID in all men.
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden [part] thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
Col 3:4 When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
who were the generation of the Time?
Mat 17:17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Col 3:7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.
Enjoy your Study Deedle :D
orion77:
Amen to that, Deedle.
(Rev 12:12) Because of this, be glad, the heavens and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the ones dwelling on the earth, and in the sea, because the devil came down to you having great anger, knowing that he has a little time!
Heavens, earth and sea, lots to be said here. Sea equals lost humanity, earth is the called and the heavens are the called, chosen and faithful. The called or earthly still liken themselves under the law and hence always seem to accuse. The heavenly are to be glad, because the accuser has been cast out, no longer under the law but faith.
The earthly, which are full of dust is what the devil dines on. Easy to see, by their constant accusations, by being under the law. Quoting the law and the willingness to fight for the law are earthly characteristics.
We by faith:
(Act 26:18) to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the authority of Satan to God, in order that they may receive remission of sins, and an inheritance among those being sanctified by faith in Me.
(Rom 1:17) for in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; even as it has been written, "But the just shall live by faith." Hab. 2:4
(Rom 3:26) for a demonstration of His righteousness in the present time, for His being just and justifying the one that is of the faith of Jesus.
(Rom 3:27) Then where is the boasting? It was excluded. Through what law? Of works? No, but through a Law of faith.
(Rom 3:28) Then we conclude a man to be justified by faith without works of Law.
God bless,
Gary
Daniel:
I see it Deedle! Amen! The law is The ministry of "condemnation" where there is no condemnation in Christ. Its your accuser not your justifier. The good conscience is related to the resurrection.
Just as the "Sting of death" is sin its power is derived from the law, which is "not of faith". In that is the importance of Him coming a "second time" without sin in relation to the "second death" which overcomers are not "hurt". This is why it speaks of Jesus Christ "loosing the pains of death". "Where is thy sting" in relation to these things spiritually speaking?To me speaks consistantly concerning who we trust, whether "Moses" or "Jesus Christ" and that which is discerned between the two.
Wrath, Moses, the law, unbelief, the devil, the accuser while in the flesh. Did you ever notice who is both under the law and who it is "made for" then look in the LOF. Yet here the words "no rest" are present. There is no rest there but doubt and fear which hath torment. To me its as going back to that which made nothing perfect rather then going on to perfection.
God swears in His wrath they will not enter His rest, one cannot enter Paul says for "unbelief" thats where the law is holding them (has power over them). It accuses them, its got a sting to it (while in the flesh). Its where "the veil" is. Its everything between the two to me. Like two ages here and now. How many veils are there? :D
Daniel
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