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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Iraq
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Becky ---yea i see how he helped... but didn't he also tell peter to put away his sword and not save him from the soldiers... peter was doing what we want to do... jesus said to give to cesar what is ceaser but it makes you wonder....
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I'm not sure....what would have happened to history, to us, if Peter had prevented Jesus' capture?
One other point, is not Ceaser, Bush and Blair? Were they not put in their place of leadership by the will of God? Are their actions not of God? If I hate or disagree with them, am I not also hating/disagreeing with God>
I'm not seeing any confusion here, am I missing something; is this not Go's plan. Have not these two men demonstrated to the world that terror will no longer tolerated, and that all of God's creation have a right to live in peace, with not thought of death or harm from others.
Do you think God wants this? Do you think these two world leaders are hurting "the least of these" or helping?
Enough said....much love to you Becky
Yellowstone
Becky:
i'm sticking with jesus' command and I guess God will let me know which way to go...someday...
thanks for the food for thought...
(directed to all here): why is it that this is such a debated topic?? (wanting to know why it isn't so "clear" to all and why we're not in agreement??)
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chrissiela:
--- Quote from: Becky ---yea i see how he helped... but didn't he also tell peter to put away his sword and not save him from the soldiers... peter was doing what we want to do... jesus said to give to cesar what is ceaser but it makes you wonder....
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Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.[/list:u]
Do you see a spiritual application to those verses?
In that the Word of God is a ‘sword’ and that we are to live and die by that ‘sword’ (He came not to send peace but a 'sword' into the earth)… and in that the servant’s EAR was "smote off" by the yielding of the sword ‘out of his place’??
Chrissie :wink:
Becky:
John 18:36
36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
James 4:12
12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Matthew 26:52
52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Leviticus 19:18
18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. (so would i kill myself if i have done wrong, if we are to "hate" our neighbor as ourselves)
Romans 12:19
19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. (god avenges.... we are not God... let him take care of it)
Luke 18:7
7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Matthew 5:43-44
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (pretty clear-cut to me, but i am only one person here)
Ephesians 6:20
20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak
Becky:
--- Quote from: chrissiela ---
--- Quote from: Becky ---yea i see how he helped... but didn't he also tell peter to put away his sword and not save him from the soldiers... peter was doing what we want to do... jesus said to give to cesar what is ceaser but it makes you wonder....
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Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.[/list:u]
Do you see a spiritual application to those verses?
In that the Word of God is a ‘sword’ and that we are to live and die by that ‘sword’ (He came not to send peace but a 'sword' into the earth)… and in that the servant’s EAR was "smote off" by the yielding of the sword ‘out of his place’??
Chrissie :wink:
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oh yeah, i definately see that the sword here is the word..no doubt... but we can't say that the armor of god then is literal... he is very specific about what is included in the armor... the verses that i give... have more than just sword to see as only whe word... matthew's verse is especially specific....
also... we are ambassadors... do ambassadors vote in the country the are visiting..or join the army??? christ said IF his kingdom was of this world, then we'd fight...
he definately said to not resist the government... so who are we to interfere with other country's goverment WITH VIOLENCE??
I know that this is God's plan, but we cannot use that as an excuse to join in their evil..
why are we any better killing them than them killing us??
"enough said" for me too.... I thank you all for inspiring me to research more and be more aware of the extremely difficuly task it is to be in the "army" of God. :wink:
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