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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Iraq
chrissiela:
Becky, it was just food for thought. I was not speaking for or against the war.
And, no, I do not believe that the armour of God is literal either. :wink:
Chrissie
Becky:
no, i know that's waht you were saying... no bad feelings against any here...
it is ALL of God.. it does not worry me. I have no need to prove anything.. all in due time
Becky:
I GET IT! WHOOOOHOOOOOOOO! YES!
YellowStone:
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--- Quote from: Becky ---yea i see how he helped... but didn't he also tell peter to put away his sword and not save him from the soldiers... peter was doing what we want to do... jesus said to give to cesar what is ceaser but it makes you wonder....
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Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.[/list:u]
Do you see a spiritual application to those verses?
In that the Word of God is a ‘sword’ and that we are to live and die by that ‘sword’ (He came not to send peace but a 'sword' into the earth)… and in that the servant’s EAR was "smote off" by the yielding of the sword ‘out of his place’??
Chrissie :wink:
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oh yeah, i definately see that the sword here is the word..no doubt... but we can't say that the armor of god then is literal... he is very specific about what is included in the armor... the verses that i give... have more than just sword to see as only whe word... matthew's verse is especially specific....
also... we are ambassadors... do ambassadors vote in the country the are visiting..or join the army??? christ said IF his kingdom was of this world, then we'd fight...
he definately said to not resist the government... so who are we to interfere with other country's goverment WITH VIOLENCE??
I know that this is God's plan, but we cannot use that as an excuse to join in their evil..
why are we any better killing them than them killing us??
"enough said" for me too.... I thank you all for inspiring me to research more and be more aware of the extremely difficuly task it is to be in the "army" of God. :wink:
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Becky,
I want share something with you, by no means do you have to agree, but your thoughts are more than welcome.
You wrote: "oh yeah, i definately see that the sword here is the word..no doubt... but we can't say that the armor of god then is literal"
Why? Who would you blame if the US governemnt / military did nothing since 911. Who would be at fault if every major city in the US and Europe had had devesating attacks and millions of innocents (the least of these) had lost their lives.
Who would be the blame? Would it be Bush or God. Of course one can blame Bush, but not without blaming God. Remember that faith is not enough. Mammoth pointed the following out very clearly:
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Rom 13:1 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:
Rom 13:4 for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a
minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.
Regarding Verse 4 (above)-Because of this mandate the civil government would be in disobedience not to bring wrath on those who do evil because it is given the sword for that purpose.
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Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:
Remember what Jesus said:
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
You wrote: "i definately see that the sword here is the word..no doubt... but we can't say that the armor of god then is literal... "
I believe we can also know that the armor of God is also literal. We are commanded to do what is good, we also told that "For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil." Who mighter than God, sanctioned these leaders, truth to tell neither you or I.
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
I know many refute James for these words, but is anyone of us truly at peace with God, knowing that there are lunatics out there who want to see the death of all the West, and not even praying for God's will to be done, even by the hands of elected rulers. If one then shouts, "Of course I pray for God's will every day" Then this discussion is meaningless, for there would be no point in blaming anyone for the death of a terrorist and sworn enemy of the State.
I believe God is testing our strength and resolve every day. One may argue: "That's why we must love these terrorists, even though they have killed, are killing and will kill again"
But the truth of the matter is that many confuse revenge with protecting the least of these. I do not hate these people, but i won't stand by and let them hurt those who cannot defend themeselves.
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
Are we helping such as these by following your following words:
"he definately said to not resist the government... so who are we to interfere with other country's goverment WITH VIOLENCE??
I know that this is God's plan, but we cannot use that as an excuse to join in their evil.. ":
Am I mistaken, but are you indicating that we who interfere with another country's goverment WITH VIOLENCE??, are doing so outside of God's will in order to protect the least of these, under the accordance of a leadership, "for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil. " Rom 13:4
As James clearly stated: Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. To not support those whose goal is to bring peace and freedom to places that have been at war since biblical times, is to support something other than God. For nothing happens outside his will, and this my dear sister Becky, is not an excuse.
May God bring comfort and Love to each one of us in these trying times.
Gid Bless,
Yellowstone
Becky:
hmmm lemme print it out, read over it tonight and give it some goooood thought. thanks!
Becky
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