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"Although I am a typical loner in my daily life, my awareness of belonging to the invisible community of those who strive for truth, beauty, and justice has prevented me from feelings of isolation"
- Albert Einstein
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Nobody, certainly will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent,
just and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and
guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped
mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea
in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. That is,
if this being is omnipotent then every occurrence, including every human action,
every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work;
how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts
before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would
to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined
with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?
- Albert Einstein - Out of My Later Years.
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Einstein is dead, dead, dead. They sliced up his brain in little, bitty pieces for further study.
He is not much help to me.
The One I need is described in Revelation 1; the One with eyes like a flame of fire.
He said this: "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." Rev 1:18
Yeah, that's Who I need. The One Who will set me free from the grave and death. That will come in real handy for me.
Einstein? Yawn. ::)
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Brief comment subject to correction.
The popular "media" always was as it now is; seeking to astonish the "sheep".
Once they got their hooks into Einstein they embellished quite a bit and sold lots of copy.
Indiana bob
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A. Einstein's report card, the Luitpold Gymnasium
For those who don't know, a 6 is the worst grade one can have.... 1 is the best. Einstein could hardly have performed worse: German-5, French-3, Italian-5, History-6, Geography-4, Algebra-6, Geometry-6, Physics-6, Chemistry-5, Biology-5, Technical drawing and Art-4. Things improved when the Jewish Media made a genius out of him, after he stole information from the patent office.
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Anyone who has studied much Physics will tell you that Special Relativity was mostly created by Poincare and Lorentz. The seminal 1905 paper by the plagiarist Einstein had no references! His 1915 paper on General Relativity, was submitted for publication two weeks after Hilbert's deduction of the equations, and it is Hilbert's Lagrangian technique that is used today to derive the field equations, not the idiotic heuristics of Einstein. Even E = mc2 was derived in the mid 1800s (well before Einstein ever stole anything).
Nikola Tesla regarded Relativity as the greatest historical aberration of scientific thought. Relativity is no more than a philosophical standpoint, a virus to infect a "New Age". From the standpoint of the electrical engineer Einstein’s Relativity is "Bravo-Sierra"! However, it has sunk its roots into the basic consideration of Inductance and Capacitance. L and C represent co-efficients of aetheric processes, and as such represent the aether, not Relativity. Albert Einstein stands in the way of Michael Faraday, and Pharisees are now Physicists (— Eric Dollard).
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Nobody, certainly will deny that the idea of the existence of an omnipotent,
just and omnibeneficent personal God is able to accord man solace, help, and
guidance; also, by virtue of its simplicity it is accessible to the most undeveloped
mind. But, on the other hand, there are decisive weaknesses attached to this idea
in itself, which have been painfully felt since the beginning of history. That is,
if this being is omnipotent then every occurrence, including every human action,
every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work;
how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts
before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would
to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined
with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?
- Albert Einstein - Out of My Later Years.
I like learning about those who throughout history were not afraid to question beliefs that were taboo to question.. People who didn't just blindly follow out of fear of offending God.
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"Many quotes attributed to me were actually not said or written by me."
Albert Einstein.
;D
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That quote that I posted from Einstein came from a book that he wrote, or from a book that someone else wrote and which book was attributed to him. But anyway, it's in the book, that is, in a pdf version that I downloaded from the Internet.
I thought that some might find it interesting that Einstein was intelligent enough to conclude that the idea-of-mans'-free-will and the omnipotence of God are contradictions.
I don't think school marks are a definitive way of determining intelligence. There are other things that can affect marks, such as lack of interest, mind on other things, trauma, etc.
The Einstein quote that I used fits in with, I think, the subject matter area of this forum.
In regard to the post by Indiana Bob, in regard to Relativity, the following quote gives some hint as to why Relativity was so strongly promulgated, and which quote ties in with recent WMAP data:
Since the time of Copernicus we have known that the earth rotates on its axis and moves around the sun. Even this simple idea, so clear to everyone, was not left untouched by the advance of science. But let us leave this question for the time being and accept Copernicus' point of view.
- Albert Einstein and Leopold Infeld, The Evolution of Physics, originally published in 1938, page 161 of a pdf version downloaded from the Internet
I heard someone say that we have free will, but God knows what we will choose. I'm wondering if, putting aside Scripture, such an argument could be argued logically. And that may mean that I am not as intelligent as Einstein, but I ask the question anyway.
Oatmeal
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"Many quotes attributed to me were actually not said or written by me."
Albert Einstein.
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Ha! That doesn't surprise me at all... Did you also know that 90% of statistics are actually made up?
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Oatmeal
"I heard someone say that we have free will, but God knows what we will choose. I'm wondering if, putting aside Scripture, such an argument could be argued logically. And that may mean that I am not as intelligent as Einstein, but I ask the question anyway."
If we have free will but God knows what we will choose than God is only psychic and plans accordingly. He would not be omnipotent. He would know future events but He would not be in control of us.. Right?
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Einstein is dead, Fred. He sleeps with the fishes.
All of his supposed intelligence can't save him now. He is relative to dust.
The "great man" did not believe in a personal God. Yet it will be a personal God Who will resurrect him back to life.
He was a big dummy. All of his supposed intelligence did not give him knowledge of the true God.
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I won't presume to know whether or not a man I never met believed in a personal god or had knowledge of the one true God.
One thing I do know is that it's no concern of mine what Gods plan is for another.
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Einstein is dead, Fred. He sleeps with the fishes.
All of his supposed intelligence can't save him now. He is relative to dust.
The "great man" did not believe in a personal God. Yet it will be a personal God Who will resurrect him back to life.
He was a big dummy. All of his supposed intelligence did not give him knowledge of the true God.
Not quite John, it just was not his time to know the truth. Not in his power to understand.
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Einstein is dead, Fred. He sleeps with the fishes.
All of his supposed intelligence can't save him now. He is relative to dust.
The "great man" did not believe in a personal God. Yet it will be a personal God Who will resurrect him back to life.
He was a big dummy. All of his supposed intelligence did not give him knowledge of the true God.
Not quite John, it just was not his time to know the truth. Not in his power to understand.
My point is that Many worship the brilliance of an Einstein or a Stephen Hawking, while those men do not understand even the simplest ideas about God. Both of those men and many others reject the God of the Scriptures.
The Scriptures say only a fool says there is no God.
Those men and mankind in general do not impress me.
Dead men impress me even less.
Only to God should all the glory go because all things come from Him.
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Vanity, all is vanity. How long oh Lord? How long...
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Einstein is dead, Fred. He sleeps with the fishes.
All of his supposed intelligence can't save him now. He is relative to dust.
The "great man" did not believe in a personal God. Yet it will be a personal God Who will resurrect him back to life.
He was a big dummy. All of his supposed intelligence did not give him knowledge of the true God.
Not quite John, it just was not his time to know the truth. Not in his power to understand.
My point is that Many worship the brilliance of an Einstein or a Stephen Hawking, while those men do not understand even the simplest ideas about God. Both of those men and many others reject the God of the Scriptures.
The Scriptures say only a fool says there is no God.
Those men and mankind in general do not impress me.
Dead men impress me even less.
Only to God should all the glory go because all things come from Him.
All dead men? When Stephen and the new Christians were martyred for their faith, and those men of the OT died or were mutilated for their obedience to God, did you ever see where Jesus or any of the Apostles or OT writers spoke of them so belittlingly or callously? I hardly think anyone is worshipping (obeying?) their brilliance. But the thing is, if anything they did say was truly brilliant, then it came from God and it's good to recognize it as such. That's all they are doing, John. Largeli wasn't mocking God. It was a very truthful quote, regardless of where it originated. Is the quote to be dismissed entirely as hogwash all because it exited the mouth of someone you choose to look down your nose at all because they didn't fall down and worship the god of Christendom. Which also happens to be the same god you wouldn't be caught dead worshipping?
Get over yourself, John.
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But the thing is, if anything they did say was truly brilliant, then it came from God and it's good to recognize it as such.
Good point Gina. That is exactly what I was thinking.
God has used and still uses the "spiritually blind" to do amazing things in this world that we all benefit from, such as the advancement in technology. If God blesses someone with a talent or extraordinary gift, who am I to dismiss them? No, we do not worship them, but we should recognize that they too have been blessed of God.
Matt 5:45-48:
...For He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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But the thing is, if anything they did say was truly brilliant, then it came from God and it's good to recognize it as such.
Good point Gina. That is exactly what I was thinking.
God has used and still uses the "spiritually blind" to do amazing things in this world that we all benefit from, such as the advancement in technology. If God blesses someone with a talent or extraordinary gift, who am I to dismiss them? No, we do not worship them, but we should recognize that they too have been blessed of God.
Matt 5:45-48:
...For He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Thank you! And, I just got another thought ( I heard my teacher behind me... ) I distinctly remember Ray pointed out that even the OT writers didn't UNDERSTAND what they were really prophesying about. I'm trying to remember where I read that. I know I'm not the only one who read what Ray wrote in that regard. See, if they, being carnal and unconverted, didn't understand the things of God ....
I don't believe that Hawking and Einstein were willfully evil and wicked men all because they didn't "understand the things of God and spiritual matters.... ". I can't imagine either one of them hating their fellow man.
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Can both fresh water and bitter water flow from the same spring? James 3:11
But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. James 3:14-16
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The LORD rebuke you!" Jude 1:9
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A more complete 'thought' expressed.
Jas 3:9 Therewith bless we the Lord and Father, and therewith curse we men made after the likeness of God.
Jas 3:10 Out of the same mouth goes forth blessing and cursing. It is not right, my brethren, that these things should be thus.
Jas 3:11 Does the fountain, out of the same opening, pour forth sweet and bitter?
Of course, that isn't even the end of one chapter or epistle, much less the end of wisdom.
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John,
Please recall how you have a great respect and admiration for "the Duke." He was someone who never actually existed except for in the minds of some writer who probably didn't know or understand the things of God, either.
As for John Wayne, the actor, you greatly admire him to this day and he is dead. Did He know God? Did he? I mean, you've talked about him like he was somebody great or did something great off screen. He never did anything super important, John. He was an actor and quoted lines that were written for him by somebody else.
Hey is that you gk? Wasn't Horseman your moniker from times past? I like it and your avatar. Reminds me of John Wayne (after Duke died I stopped watching movies).
Duke had a nasty faced macho dog in the movie 'Hondo" and also in 'Big Jake'. The good old days. I look around today and see a world full of wimps. Makes you want to spit. ;D
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John from Kentucky I learned a few things from a misspent youth watching John Wayne movies.
The Duke would take his girl, bend her over backwards, and give her a kiss.
Sometimes it's best just to wade in. ;D
John from Kentucky No, I'm not John Wayne. But I do miss the Duke since he died. If he were still around, maybe there would be movies I could understand.
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And another one.
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, they have done abominable works: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 Jehovah looked down from the heavens upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 14:3 They have all gone aside, they are together become corrupt: there is none that doeth good, not even one.
Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, eating up my people as they eat bread? They call not upon Jehovah.
Who was Jehovah looking for? Children of men who did understand...that did seek God. What did He find? They have all gone aside...they are together become corrupt. There is none of THEM that does good..,.not even one.
Do all the workers of iniquity have "no knowledge"--eating up my people like they eat bread? Apparently not. Not ALL the workers of iniquity have "no knowledge". Some claimed to understand...some did seek God with their mouths and in all the wrong places. Some did have 'some knowledge'. They have all gone aside.
"Come out of her, my people...", lest they eat you like bread.
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Woes to Scribes and Pharisees
Matthew 23:
33 "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
34"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,
35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar
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I happen to like that quote.
Titus 1
15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
16 They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.
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John,
Please recall how you have a great respect and admiration for "the Duke." He was someone who never actually existed except for in the minds of some writer who probably didn't know or understand the things of God, either.
As for John Wayne, the actor, you greatly admire him to this day and he is dead. Did He know God? Did he? I mean, you've talked about him like he was somebody great or did something great off screen. He never did anything super important, John. He was an actor and quoted lines that were written for him by somebody else.
Hey is that you gk? Wasn't Horseman your moniker from times past? I like it and your avatar. Reminds me of John Wayne (after Duke died I stopped watching movies).
Duke had a nasty faced macho dog in the movie 'Hondo" and also in 'Big Jake'. The good old days. I look around today and see a world full of wimps. Makes you want to spit. ;D
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John from Kentucky I learned a few things from a misspent youth watching John Wayne movies.
The Duke would take his girl, bend her over backwards, and give her a kiss.
Sometimes it's best just to wade in. ;D
John from Kentucky No, I'm not John Wayne. But I do miss the Duke since he died. If he were still around, maybe there would be movies I could understand.
Let's keep this conversation civil and on a high plane and on the highest level of culture, by not trying in any way to besmirch Mr. Wayne.
I will admire the Duke anytime over some pointy headed, foreign intellectuals.
However, I do admire and respect and worship Almighty God over them all, even the Duke. :D
I will now return to outlining the Book of Deuteronomy, in the original language.
P.S. For those who are humor challenged (and we seem to have so many here), my above statements were meant as a joke. Before I'm burned at the stake. ::)
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Oh, but Your Highness! I can't speak for everyone here, but I would never waste a perfectly good match or a stake to burn you!
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They have lighters these days and you can use a tree instead of a stake.........just some things to consider ???
Rhys ;D
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And another one.
Psa 14:1 To the chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They have corrupted themselves, they have done abominable works: there is none that doeth good.
Psa 14:2 Jehovah looked down from the heavens upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psa 14:3 They have all gone aside, they are together become corrupt: there is none that doeth good, not even one.
Psa 14:4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, eating up my people as they eat bread? They call not upon Jehovah.
Who was Jehovah looking for? Children of men who did understand...that did seek God. What did He find? They have all gone aside...they are together become corrupt. There is none of THEM that does good..,.not even one.
Do all the workers of iniquity have "no knowledge"--eating up my people like they eat bread? Apparently not. Not ALL the workers of iniquity have "no knowledge". Some claimed to understand...some did seek God with their mouths and in all the wrong places. Some did have 'some knowledge'. They have all gone aside.
"Come out of her, my people...", lest they eat you like bread.
As for Einstein:
Albert Einstein once said the following in an interview for G. S. Viereck’s book Glimpses of the Great.
“I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds… The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.”
Hawking thinks he can prove God does not exist. He's crippled and angry about it and isn't able to do much, so he does what he can to annoy people. Misery loves company. But still, the original post was about Einstein's quote. It wasn't about Stephen Hawking.
Einstein had the guts to admit that he was dim and had a limited mind, and he seemed to be open to the existence of God, and Ray even quoted him in one of his papers: "God isn't playing dice..."
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I happen to like that quote.
Titus 1
15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
16 They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.
And there's the 'spiritual match' for Psalms 14 and 54, I think.
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If Einstein or Hawking used their minds to study the real scriptures perhaps they would have understood intellectually.
But just an observation of the Christian religion would prove it wrong. The earth is not 6000 years old, there was no five mile high flood, there have been people here much longer than 6000 years, etc., etc. Plenty of proof what the church teaches is false.
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They have lighters these days and you can use a tree instead of a stake.........just some things to consider ???
Rhys ;D
ha! Would not waste my time, a perfectly good lighter, the lighter fluid, or a beautiful dead tree (which I think a stake is made from). Besides, aside from a a little wood, stubble, and hay (and maybe a strand of hair here or there), there's actually no substance to him. Why go to so much work for a few sparks? How do I know these things, you wonder? :D
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If Einstein or Hawking used their minds to study the real scriptures perhaps they would have understood intellectually.
But just an observation of the Christian religion would prove it wrong. The earth is not 6000 years old, there was no five mile high flood, there have been people here much longer than 6000 years, etc., etc. Plenty of proof what the church teaches is false.
Exactly, and you made a profound statement in another thread where you said to someone, You can't prove a negative. Well, Hawking believes he can prove God does not exist, but isn't that trying to prove a negative?
God is spirit and God is perfect. How could he ever prove perfection doesn't exist when God has chosen to not reveal Himself to him?
When I picture Hawking attempting to prove God does not exist, and losing, I think of that scene from A Beautiful Mind where Nash loses the board game and says, "You should not have won. I had the first move. My play was perfect...the game is flawed!"
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I think this is funny. But can't figure out who the black guy at the end is supposed to be? God?
https://youtu.be/8yis7GzlXNM
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Some of you believe you have an extraordinary gift... That is the gift to know what was in a dead mans heart. I thought only God had that ability. I thought that man can only see what's on the outside of another man while God is the only one who knows the mans heart... I thought that no one knows what a man is thinking except the spirit of that man.
1 Cor 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them?
1 Sam 16:7
..for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
Is it not bearing false witness for you to claim to know what was in a mans heart and what he believed? Especially considering you never knew the man you're judging? All you know about the man is what others have written about him or what others have quoted him as saying... and since we don't know whether or not the quotes are accurate, how can you be so sure? And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
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Oh, but Your Highness! I can't speak for everyone here, but I would never waste a perfectly good match or a stake to burn you!
This that I read of J from K is hard to believe as I’m thinking what a great moderator he would make , he appears to be very knowledgeable in the things of God and is steadfast in his belief in Rays writings.
Perhaps you were referring to another brother my sister in Christ. Love, love, love. :)
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Yes. This thread is getting quite nasty and I don't like the direction of it. I'm ashamed the moderators let it go to this, even participating in. Maybe I mis understood some posts and I'm open to that but this is how it appears--A blemish in our feast.
James 4:11-12 Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. 12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death.
John did not throw another brother under the bus here but only expressed his disregard for wordly men of the flesh whose words are revered by others in the world. Some of this either is calling a brother a fool or borders on it.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
Peace in the Church of The Living God.
Sincerely,
Alex
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And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
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Alex, THIS moderator simply sought twice to 'amplify' and clarify the scripture I think is not "rightly divided/cut" by most christians and preachers. The other post was just a bit of levity--light-hearted banter (which is the clearly labeled, but often ignored, purpose of this little section of the 'feast').
And that's why THIS moderator "let it go on"--because he is not now and never has been a flawless discerner of what is intended to be "light-hearted" and what is not intended as such, over this internet thingamajig. Anyway, the truth will out. It always does--later if not sooner. In the meantime, don't do as "they" do.
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Some of you believe you have an extraordinary gift... That is the gift to know what was in a dead mans heart. I thought only God had that ability. I thought that man can only see what's on the outside of another man while God is the only one who knows the mans heart... I thought that no one knows what a man is thinking except the spirit of that man.
1 Cor 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them?
1 Sam 16:7
..for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
Is it not bearing false witness for you to claim to know what was in a mans heart and what he believed? Especially considering you never knew the man you're judging? All you know about the man is what others have written about him or what others have quoted him as saying... and since we don't know whether or not the quotes are accurate, how can you be so sure? And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
Do you feel better?
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And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
If I said "that man never believed in a personal god." I would be testifying to what a man believed in his heart. Unless I am that man and know that man thoughts then wouldn't I be bearing false witness? I would be claiming as fact to know something that may or may not be fact.
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And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
If I said "that man never believed in a personal god." I would be testifying to what a man believed in his heart. Unless I am that man and know that man thoughts then wouldn't I be bearing false witness? I would be claiming as fact to know something that may or may not be fact.
Largeli,
Its a well known fact that Eistein did not believe in a personal god. He said so himself. He is best described as an agnostic.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." Einstein
Source: Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman (eds) (1981). Albert Einstein, The Human Side (http://"http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691082316/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0691082316&linkCode=as2&tag=savedbygracemini"). Princeton University Press. p. 43.
John said nothing of him that he hadn't already said of himself.
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I agree with Alex’s , here is a letter written by Einstein below I found on the internet.
“I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds… The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.”
I don’t know if he felt like that at the time of his death.
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I don’t know if he felt like that at the time of his death.
Wisdom.
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And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
If I said "that man never believed in a personal god." I would be testifying to what a man believed in his heart. Unless I am that man and know that man thoughts then wouldn't I be bearing false witness? I would be claiming as fact to know something that may or may not be fact.
Largeli,
Its a well known fact that Eistein did not believe in a personal god. He said so himself. He is best described as an agnostic.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." Einstein
Source: Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman (eds) (1981). Albert Einstein, The Human Side (http://"http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691082316/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0691082316&linkCode=as2&tag=savedbygracemini"). Princeton University Press. p. 43.
John said nothing of him that he hadn't already said of himself.
It is a well known fact that Einstein didn't believe in a personal god?
Or is it a well known fact that Einstein once said he didn't believe in a personal god?
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And if you cant be sure then why risk being a false witness?
I have not read every word of this but did someone accuse someone of something?
There is judging, bearing false witness, and observing.
I think it is safe to assume Einstein and Hawking have never indorsed the salvation of all. I think we can safely make that observation about most of humanity without judging or bearing false witness.
If I said "that man never believed in a personal god." I would be testifying to what a man believed in his heart. Unless I am that man and know that man thoughts then wouldn't I be bearing false witness? I would be claiming as fact to know something that may or may not be fact.
Largeli,
Its a well known fact that Eistein did not believe in a personal god. He said so himself. He is best described as an agnostic.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly." Einstein
Source: Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman (eds) (1981). Albert Einstein, The Human Side (http://"http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691082316/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0691082316&linkCode=as2&tag=savedbygracemini"). Princeton University Press. p. 43.
John said nothing of him that he hadn't already said of himself.
It is a well known fact that Einstein didn't believe in a personal god?
Or is it a well known fact that Einstein once said he didn't believe in a personal god?
Largeli, please stop digging yourself deeper into a hole. You accused john of looking into another man's heart, judging him, bearing false witness etc... All I did was point out to you that John only said of Eistein what he had already said about himself.
God be with you,
Alex
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Alex don't be so defensive.
Alex you did not simply say that all john did was quote what Einstein has already said about himself. You added that "it is a well known fact" what the dead man believed.
Look Einstein is both dead and you never spoke with him. Yet you know for fact what he believed.
I am both alive and you have conversated with me. Will you presume to know for fact what I believe? It would be foolish for you to do so, but hey... It's your world, If you want to judge a dead mans beliefs by what you found on Google please. By all means friend.
I will zip my lips, lock and throw away the key on this thread.