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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: seminole on May 31, 2007, 07:26:05 PM
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Okay, so I saw the pics. of that conference that just happened and Ray looks like a good guy. I went back and re-read some of the site he has and it left me a little confused again. A lot of the stuff sounds right but the abrasive words kind of over shadowed the good. maybe it's because I don't know him but I would be a little concerned about coming across that way. People read there to find answers about God and faith but with the negative it would turn me off if I didn't have God in my life.
Seminole
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We AlL have GOD in our Lives,
But!! :D I know wot ur saying n e wayZ! lol!, My Wife is a Good exsample of wot u hav sed she didnt like hw he spoke 2 pple etc.. I sort of came 2 Rays defence & sed, I think JESUS may hav spoken like this :):D:P lol! PeaCe, Mercy, Grace.
muchLOVE!! Pera
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Seminole,
…some like their bread plain (dry)…others like it buttered (smooth)…and still there are those who prefer to have a little jam (sugar coated). It may be a matter of taste, or preference. However, we all love bread (the bread of life).
I am getting thirsty, too!
- Jer
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:D :D "wotacrkuP!" :D:D BlesS! U!,
muchLOVE!! Pera
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…some like their bread plain (dry)…others like it buttered (smooth)…and still there are those who prefer to have a little jam (sugar coated). It may be a matter of taste, or preference. However, we all love bread (the bread of life).
I am getting thirsty, too!
That was awesome Jer!
Peace,
Diana
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Nole, this has been said before, but, notice the writers of the e mails. Those w/ honest questions, get a sincere honest answer. Those that come after him w/ an attitude or condemnation get one of his usually witty, if not downright sassy comebacks.
If it were me, I would be crying like a baby. I couldn't handle all the insults and curses he gets. He is definetly used by God. Remember not all are to have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Ray does not need defending.
Nole, have you read ALL of LOF? Lazarus? Maybe don't even bother w/ his e mails. Get built up by the Word.
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Nole, I know what you mean. I do think 90% of the people who mail him deserve to be talked to in his way because of their attitude, sometimes hateful and slanderous speech. BUT........I do agree with ya. I noticed that when, two years ago I think is when I happened on his site. I thought, "sheesh this guy is harsh." Sometimes harsh is the best way though. IF, IF it were me, I'd probably not be so harsh, but it is what it is. Personally I find a lot of truth through his answers, and entertainment also, to be honest.
Matt
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Seminole,
Before arriving at Bible-Truths.com, I came across many "religious" websites; some appeared to be sweet as honey, and others were rather scary. Then I stumbled onto Bible-Truths, and just as Matt stated, my first impression was that it appeared a little harsh. However, as I was drawn in and started reading the articles, the truth of what was being said far outweighed the sarcasm that was used. In my opinion, the revelation of truth began to justify much of the language that Ray used in "exposing those who contradict" the word of God.
The "truth" will offend many, no matter what language is being used. Those who have "eyes to see and ears to hear" will get it.
Rene'
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The Word teaches the following :
Proverbs 9 : 8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you. 9. Give instruction to a wise man and he will be yet wiser; teach a righteous man, one upright and in right standing with God and he will increase in learning.
Proverbs 10 : 17 He who heeds instruction and correction is not only himself in the way of life but also IS A WAY OF LIFE FOR OTHERS. And he who neglects or refuses reproof not only himself goes astray but also causes to err and is a path toward ruin for others. 32 The lips of the uncompromisingly righteous know and therefore utter what is acceptable, but the mouth of the wicked knows and therefore speaks only what is obstinately willful and contrary.
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold I am laying in Zion a Stone that will MAKE MEN STUMBLE, a Rock that WILL MAKE THEM FALL; but he who believes in HIM, who adheres to, trusts in, and relies on HIM, shall NOT BE PUT TO SHAME or be DISAPPOINTED IN HIS EXPECTATIONS.
So what do we expect?... :D ;D
Peace be to you
Arcturus
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Arcturus wise points, indeed!
Love you -Jer (wiser with greater understanding, everyday that passes).
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Jer
Isaiah wrote : Isa 61 : 11 For as surely as the earth brings forth its shoots, and as a garden causes what is sown in it to spring forth, so surely the Lord God WILL CAUSE rightness and justice and praise to spring forth before all the nations through the SELF-FULFILLING POWER OF HIS WORD. 8)
It is good and a giift from Him to rely, cling to and trust in HIS Word at all times everywhere and anywhere!
Peace to you brother
Arcturus :)
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I get what you are saying. I would go upside somebody's head if they were standing before me saying some of the things he gets. I have read the LOF and most others. It still seems harsh and cold to me. I know a lot of O.T. is harsh and Jesus went off on some people but more than that Jesus was kind and loving more than harsh. I just wonder if the "harshness" in the Scripture is focused on more than the loving kindness.
Hey, before anybody jumps me, I know it's not right to go upside somebody's head and I do try in my daily life to keep my temper in check.
Seminole
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Have you listened to the Love audio Seminole?
The Church does not teach love as is expressed and demonstrated by Christ. The Church teaches a feel good say nothing mean less kind of sentimentality that is luke warm and will be spat out by the Lord. Broad is the way and many get lost in it!
Peace to you
Arcturus
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I can't listen to audio. I don't know why I just can't make it work so all I can do is read. He writes a lot of good stuff but it kind of turns me to read the put downs. He has the right to write whatever he chooses as we all have the right to think , study what we believe.
Nole
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Nole you say:
I can't listen to audio.
Fair comment. The Love Audio is actually transcribed so you should go and perhaps "study" and "think" about what it teaches. It is deep and very edifying. You might get something out of it.
I can't listen to audio. I don't know why I just can't make it work so all I can do is read. He writes a lot of good stuff
I think you will be in like mind here in the Forum on that observation! ;D
but it kind of turns me to read the put downs.
No one likes to be put down. I do think the persons you perceive Ray to be "putting down" are blessed to have heard the gutsy scriptural truth perhaps for the first time in their lives. Can you imagine if Jesus comes and the people who you think should be handled with care see Ray and ask him "Why didn't you TELL ME! Now I have to go through the LOF!"
Chastisement and correction and rebuke are healthier than withholding Gods ways from the lost. In fact there is judgment and correction for with holding the truth if you have it and do not give it! Ray is doubly accountable because he is a Teacher. His example is sterling and I think he will complete his race the way he is going! I for one don't want to see Ray go soft or luke warm. Hot and cold is fine! ;D :D
He has the right to write whatever he chooses
Yes. Well this is his site and we are students in the Forum where we are supposed to be like minded and in agreement with our Teacher. If not then we have the right to think and study what we believe elsewhere not because we have the right to think and study what we believe but because this Forum has rules of conduct. This is not unlike any gathering I know of. Even the body of Christ is fit together where the hand and the foot and the eye and the ear work through the Head in harmony. Our head is Christ here. ;D
as we all have the right to think , study what we believe.
I can not help but think to ask you....have you been hurt or abused by authority and rules? If so, I can say we have that in common!
Nole
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Hi Nole...
Gifts are given to all, in accordance to the Lord’s choosing for His Purpose, and sometimes we may have the identical gift(s) as another, but, used for a different purpose.
That is one of the reasons - that I had posted: Lord, what is it you want me to do?
Re: Is all the praying we do in public biblical?
Ray seems to be using his gift(s), according to the purpose - that has been given him.
Yours, mine and ours (sounds like a blended family) may well be different.
In His Love and mine...your brother - Jer
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Seminole,
Before arriving at Bible-Truths.com, I came across many "religious" websites; some appeared to be sweet as honey, and others were rather scary. Then I stumbled onto Bible-Truths, and just as Matt stated, my first impression was that it appeared a little harsh. However, as I was drawn in and started reading the articles, the truth of what was being said far outweighed the sarcasm that was used. In my opinion, the revelation of truth began to justify much of the language that Ray used in "exposing those who contradict" the word of God.
The "truth" will offend many, no matter what language is being used. Those who have "eyes to see and ears to hear" will get it.
Rene'
I feel you here Rene'!!
- Jason
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Hi Seminole, just picking up on what you wrote about ‘abrasive words’. I agree with you. I think there is a risk by that type of reply to those who don’t go along with what they teach exactly. For example, a few years ago I read a lot of Peter Ruckman material, but his abrasive style eventually made me question wether this man had the spirit of Christ, and I found that he didn’t. Later I followed Gary North, and the same conclusion came through. To date, I like Ray’s teaching, but no man can have all the truth or follow Christ to perfection, we are only members of the body.
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Just some things to consider.... :)
There are some who Christ will spit out for being lukewarm....out of His body! :o
Rev 3 : 16 So, because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, (Does this not mean to include those who never commite to anything, the on the fence sitters....that fuzzy warm kind who never makes a stand...who runs with the fox and hunts with the hounds type...never saying anything to upset anyone, the slack shirker ....just that kind who is not hot or cold or risking rejection and inviting persecution from those who feel the heat or the bite of the cold words of admonishment, correction and exhortation which members of the body are supposed to do!...to build up and remove duplicity and doublemindedness which Ray does with great gusto! Christ says...) I will spew you out of my mouth. ( MOUTH! ...part of the body no? And spew...anyone care to look up what that means in the dictionary or better still on e-sword?)
Also there is a distinction between being "only members" and those Christ has given to the body. The student is not greater than the master. Here is what Paul taught the Ephesians 4 : 11 He, (CHRIST NO LESS) has HIMSELF APPOINTED and GAVE men to us (US...who are..."only the members of the body" of which Paul included himself as also being a member of this privileged place) some to be apostles, special messengers, some prophets, inspired preachers and expounders, some evangelists, preachers of the Gospel, traveling missionaries, some pastors, shepherds of His flock and TEACHERS ... of which Ray, as I see it fits ALL of these categories!
Mark 9 : 40,41 For who is not against us is for us. 41 For I tell you truly, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to and bear the name of Christ will by no means fail to get his reward.
1 Thes 5 : 11 Therefore encourage, admonish, exhort one another and edify, strengthen and build up one another, just as you are doing. 12 Now we beseech you, brethren, get to know those who labor among you, recognize them for what they are, acknowledge and appreciate and respect them all - your leaders who are over you in the Lord and those who warn and kindly reprove and exhort you. 13 And hold them in very high and most affectionate esteem in intelligent and sympathetic appreciation of their work. Be at peace among your selves. 14 And we earnestly beseech you, brethren, admonish, warn and seriously advise those who are out of line....
That out of line part, is the real tester! It is much easier to compliment than to admonish! Compliments draw approval, admonishment is more risky! More hot to handle! ;D
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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Hi Arcturus,
I can hear what your saying. We can not be complacent, but always seeking to understand the truth. This scripture is a warning to us.
Rev 3:16 So because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
To be among the chosen you have to go beyond what is comfortable and easy.
Phi 1:9 And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment,
v. 10 so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ,
discernment
G144
aisthēsis-- perception, that is, (figuratively) discernment: - judgment.
We need to come to discern the truth.
discern--to come to know, reconize or understand(discern) the basic issue. Discern right from wrong. Webster's
mery, peace, and love
Kat
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Excellent addition Kat to building up the body!
Your translations show that Christ will VOMIT out lukewarmness! I believe we too should have the same mind as Christ! HE went beyond what is comfortable and we are to follow. It is a cross to carry! It is easier to be popular and liked and approved of man rather than rejected and scourged by words of persecution and thoughts of ridicule. This is surely the way to go to follow Christ via what He Himself suffered.
Your selection of Scripture made me think again about the meaning of Wisdom. Proverbs 12 : 8 A man shall be commended according to his Wisdom, Godly Wisdom WHICH IS COMPREHENSIVE INSIGHT INTO THE WAYS AND PURPOSES OF GOD....
We know that God's ways are to "know how to distinguish between good and evil" Gen 3 : 22 those two little words, "know how" carry a life time program in learning just HOW to KNOW HOW! :D :D Knowing God is Sovereign and His purpose is to create Sons and Daughters in His image, is a life time process of learning through the faith of Christ and His Mercy and Grace. A painful path leading to great joy.
Here in BT I believe we are learning Wisdom and in the Forum we are in training and preparation for His return.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Hi Arcturus,
It is easier to be popular and liked and approved of man rather than rejected and scourged by words of persecution and thoughts of ridicule. This is surely the way to go to follow Christ via what He Himself suffered
I am working on the 7B audio transcript, hope to have it up in a day or so. It is a real eye opener into just what Christ really did suffer :o The churches do not have a clue who the real Jesus is. I never heard this Jesus taught to any degree.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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That transcript will be very valuable to those who can not down load the Audios. Something to really look forward to as it unravels the myth of Jesus being that good looking fellow from out of heaven that Hollywood has portrayed and that Babylon has not corrected!
It is always great to get the truth in black and white. :D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Back to something Arcturus asked, I have been hurt by rules from time to time. I don't believe that gives me the right to disrespect anyone.
Nole
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Hi Everyone,
I came across this old e-mail to Ray while looking through the archives, I think he sums up the thoughts behind some of his responses to scoffers very well. Since I have had the pleasure of conversing (even asking challenging questions) with him and socializing with Ray and his wife I know what he says in this response is true. He is a fun person to be around with a generous and easy going nature, Ray has a very quick wit and an empathetic/sympathetic spirit to those who come in contact with him, not just those who agree with his articles but those everyday folks who come and go in all of our lives.
When someone spews out hateful, heretical words claiming God is their inspiration he is ready to challenge and correct in no uncertain terms.
But if you are paying attention to the way in which an argument or challenge is presented, if the tone is sincere the answer will be gentle and instructive if the question is strident, condemning and accusational they will receive a rebuke that will grab them by the shoulders and get their attention. That to me is more loving than soft, insincere and lukewarm (thank you Arcturus) answers made to make oneself appear compassionate at the expense of God's wonderful Truths.
Gentle
« on: May 17, 2006, 11:33:09 AM »
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My name is Megan, and I happened upon your website doing some research (just for my own personal knowledge, not anything in particular). I was immediately curious and started to read, I then became upset with the undertones of your attitude to those who oppose your beliefs and asked you questions. You seemed in disregard to them and expressed a pious attitude toward them. There were several letters you posted in which the person (who disagreed with you, then asked a question) did not seem at all contemptuous and YOUR reply was the one with sarcastic comments and rude undertones. I am not disagreeing or agreeing with you, as I am not God. I cannot tell you much, except that as many people are on this earth are the number of ways the Bible can be interpreted. I personally don't believe that people should get s o caught up in the context of everything and trying to analyze it all according to the words of another person, but to read the Bible for themselves and discover their own personal meaning and truth. I don't want for this email to sound mean or rude in any way, I am glad that you take the time to express to people your beliefs and thoughts on God and the Bible. Its good to get people interested in God and the Bible, but please don't lose focus, instead of being condescending maybe you could use a more gentle less sarcastic approach to bring people to God. After all, as Christians, we are supposed to be an example to those who look at us. And show people how a Christian should act.
Thank you for having your website available.
Sincerely,
Megan
Dear Megan: Thank you for your email and comments. Might I suggest that you read my paper: "YOU FOOLS! YOU HYPOCRITES! YOU SNAKES!" at the tope of my home page. I guarantee you that you will never look at the Bible or Jesus Christ the same way again. And you might decide after reading what Jesus REALLY said to the Church leaders and clergymen of His, that you need to correct Jesus and His manner of teaching as well.
Just how many of those two-faced lying, deceiving, cut-throat, whited-sepulchres and hypocritical snakes in Matt. 23 do you suppose Jesus converted over to His way. Maybe you will think too that Jesus needed to be a little more "gentle?" People find it impossible to believe that one can speak the Truth as Jesus did and yet love the charlatans they are exposing. Some people think that I am angry and bitter. They need to spend a few years around me, twenty-four hours a day, and learn to laugh and smile a little. My closest friends have known few people in their lives who laugh more than I do. Maybe you are confusing "exposing damnable heresy" with "hating people." I do not hate people, but I do expose the damnable heresy of the lying hypocrites that promote it. Is that wrong? Does that offend you? Read my paper................
God be with you,
Ray
PS Write me back after you read the paper, okay? Thanks!
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Thanks Joe.
What I see, too, is that it seems a lot of these people DO NOT read his teachings. They must go straight to the e mails and just find controversial (to them) categories. Tickling ears if you will.
Then they can justify their disbelieving by, "well, he didn't answer w/ the spirit of love".
But you are so right Joe, those who have honest questions get a sincere reply.
I just wish people would READ HIS PAPERS!!!!!!!!!!
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That e-mail from Megan didn't help me much personally. She seemed to be sincere and respectful and didn't recieve the same back. Ray should know that most don't him aside from his tone and responses.
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Hi Nole,
What would your reply have been? Would you please give us an example?
His Peace to you,
Joe
P.S. Keep in mind that Megen did not read much if any of the material on Bible Truths but appeared to go directly to the e-mails (Gena perceived this as well). Does reading some random e-mails qualify one to make such a profound judgment? Look at Ray's invitation to her at the bottom of the page, does this seem insincere and disrespectful?
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Yeah, it did seem more respectful that last part did. I know you can't take a random e-mail here and there and come down on someone. Sometimes the tone of the writing gets me mixed up. There is some good stuff there and then I read something that makes my spirit feel bad. I imagine if you took everybody there wouldn't be 100% total agreement because we are human. I still can't reconcile the talk about other people as being building up the kingdom of God.
Nole
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Personally, I didn't think Ray was harsh or disrespectful, but he did go straight to the point in order to get his point across. It's his way.
Sometimes we need that.
Ursula
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For me, Mystery Babylon has so indoctrinated and tainted the truth by teaching and convincing many to conform to the belief and fear that it is a SIN if we hurt someones FEELINGS. I once believed that lie because I wanted to be socially acceptable and morally correct. WRONG MOTIVE!....I thought it was good not to hurt someones feelings. It sounds good. It appears to be good but it is not what Jesus said or expressed when he offended the Pharisees. Even His own chosen did not think it was good and that for me shows the strenght of seduction in this false belief that Christ's example exposed when He rebuked them and chastised their feelings (ego's) and when He was hot and cold with them and NEVER LUKEWARM. His Words ARE SPIRIT and TRUTH! Does therefore Spirit and Truth blow HOT and COLD? I think it does! But MANY prefer the comfort of warm not too hot not too cold! and therein lies the potential for a death sentence such as Christ recieved!
Those called into the Image of Christ will be like HIM. Jesus did not ***** foot and tip toe around the feelings of public approval. He took up the whip...no sorry...correction...HE MADE A WHIP and turned tables and rebuked those in the House of Prayer that He cleansed without any thought to preserve the tables and feeling of those He chastised.
The Church can not risk its membership becoming like Jesus! ;D Can you just imagine what would happen in the Vatican? It happened to Bastille in France and the Berlin Wall was also ruined. So too it is written, Babylon will fall!
Isaiah 5 : 20,21 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own sight.
We know and accept that God is Love yet I too, have still much to comprehend about love, Agape and Phileo and its true unfeigned manifestations. I think the whip is a manifestation of Christs corrective love. We know too that God is also a consuming fire and that we should not become luke warm to be spat out of the mouth of Christ who rebukes those who are neither hot or cold. Rev 3 : 16 So then because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spew, vomit you out of my mouth!
JESUS CHRIST SAID THAT! I think He means that those who become comfort zoners, nicy nice ego strokers....they will be spat out! ;D :D
Peace be to you
Arcturus :)
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I get it about Pharisees and stuff and maybe people today too. I don't go along with the Catholic church either. Who am I to swing a whip? Are you saying if you are hot or cold you will swing the whip ? Are you looking down on those still searching? Jesus said to do unto others and love God with all your heart,etc. Does that count? I don't believe for a minute that any here, in a church, on the web or anywhere do EVERYTHING pleasing to God. Does that mean we get spit out?
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Hi Nole,
I think you totally misunderstood that post.
A lot of the questions you are asking are answered in the Lake of Fire articles.
If you have not read them all, it would probably help your understanding a lot.
Most of the posts here come from the perspective of things revealed in those articles, you will be lost here without the understanding they provide.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Amen Kat,
Kindly said .
Seminole, most us of are here because we see the heresies we were taught in churches. I do thank God for leading me into church BUT i am humbled that He led me out!!!
(Rev 18:4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(Rev 18:5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
IN LOVE (http://bestsmileys.com/love2/4.gif)
Sandie
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Hi everyone,
I posted this in another thread, but I believe it fits perfectly here. :)
Let us not laugh at those who have not seen the light of truth, for is it really given for them to see?
Well Christ answered this very clearly
Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
But here is the paradox, who drew the church goers to the Church? Was it their own carnal desires or was it God. This is pivitol in our understanding, because even the blindest church goer has been given some truth, else they would not be there. Many of us have been these people, we walked blindly until we were given spiritual eyes to see.
Yet, it is not given for all to have an equal measure of the Spirit; there was only one man that walked the Earth that had the Entire Spirit, and even this came to him after his resurrection.
Jhn 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
This proves beyond all doubt that God does indeed measures the amount of Spirit that anyone has according to his will. So one should not wonder they know not more, or others barely anything at all, but rather be thankful to a Gracious God for granting each of us the measure of Spiritual Truth He has.
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Is there any person alive today that is "Luke-Warm" because they choose to be? Is it not true that they are lukewarm because God is working in them for HIS good pleasure and for our learning. He has so graciously given us the Spirit, should we not bare it's fruits in all we do, say and think?
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit [is] in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
All is according to Gods will, all are where they are meant to be. Why are we here? Because of his Grace and his alone.
1Cr 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.
Notice how Paul does not say run the race so you WIN. Salvation is not a contest, one should not look at another to guage where they are in accordance. What Paul said was: "Run in such a way as to get the prize"
This means focusing on the goal, meditating, training seeking guidance and wisdom from God, baring the fruits of the spirit in all that one does. It matters not if the race is won, rather that the race was run to the BEST of ones ability given measure of the Spirit given.
Well this is how I understand it and this is what I have got from reading Rays articles.
Love to all in Christ,
Darren
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seminole
Read all the articles Ray has worked so hard with spiritual inspiration to write and post on the web site, read as many of the thousands of emails Dennis post here and on the web site.
Then try your Faith at the tolerances of those who email Ray with many, many and often times repetetive :: impatience, deceptions, subtlties, sarcasms, damnations, ignorances, vulgarness, stupidity, vanities, egos, self-righteousness, idioticness, blindness, arogance....ect.
Along with emails of encouragment, thank yous, honest questions, inquisivness,...ect. you will Ray has done a very good job of answering each accordingly.
Then draw your conclusions from all of those correspondance before you ask for an abridge version.
Rodger
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In the classic first teaching on this site called ""You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!" that shows why Jesus used SCATHING SARCASM we learn much to the integrity, honesty and wisdom of Christ that is NOT taught by the Churches.
When Jesus made the whip that shows He intended and planned to go to the House of Prayer and clean it out of the merchants and traders in their money seeking self motivating ways, Jesus did show kindness goodness longsuffering but there was not joy, peace, gentleness and some would argue that there was even no goodness in this action. Yet it showed the contrast between what is good and what is evil.
There is nothing evil about Jesus. Not in what He does, what He thinks and how He acts and speaks. Besides which, He returns with a rod of Iron to rule the Nations. Does that mean He will return without the fruit of His own Spirit? I don't think so! What I do think is that we have been taught to think of the fruit of the Spirit as being some kind of sentimental feel good emotional feeling and character. The fruit of the Spirit is the death of Christ on Calvery! He comes again with His reward.When will we stop believing Jesus is like US. We have to become like HIM.
Matt 24:12,13...the love of most wil grow cold, but he who stands firmto the end will be saved.
For me the above statement means that if we go along with the Church heresy and false teachings, our love will grow cold and bitter because the root of the Chruch teachings is in blasphamy, blindness and deception. We have to come out as Sandie observed and this reality is supported in the teachings through Ray Smith. As Kat showed, it is better to read, question and ask for deeper insights after reading what Ray teaches and then things can work well for everyone here in like mind.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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That e-mail from Megan didn't help me much personally. She seemed to be sincere and respectful and didn't recieve the same back. Ray should know that most don't him aside from his tone and responses.
Seminole,
I have been were you are at, And you will not like this reply.
But These are Rays letters, Written to Him. If his answers are not to your liking, then Take it up with Ray! Yes perhaps you would do it differently, If so, then i suggest you create a website, fund it, And answer e-mails 15 hours a day.
Sincerely
Chris R
P.S.
Before you respond, Think about what i said, Because it has been said to me, and alot of members on this forum. I am not going to allow debate over Rays Responces, Let him defend himself.
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I tried to write him . Didn't get a answer. I'm not complaining. He probably can't answer each and every question he gets in an e-mail.
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I tried to write him . Didn't get a answer. I'm not complaining. He probably can't answer each and every question he gets in an e-mail.
Send your note to Craig, I'm sure he will pass it on to Ray.
Chris R