The Strong delusion

[Beloved]

I hope you noticed that I put these two verses because Ray specifically pointed them out. He says, they both cannot be right, The Holy Spitit cannot be separate it is the Father who is the Father of Our Lord Jesus.

(Mat 1:18)  Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Col 1:3  We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Jesus is now totally spiritually one with the Father and He was also with the Father in the beginning. Jeusu is the physical image of the Father to us physically and therefor for us He is King of kings and Lord of lords, Our High Priest and Savior. He can and will come again.

One One One 

You have to really study so you can deal with this particular false doctrine...they will argue it up and down . Many wil not let this one go easily so you are blessed Longhorn in that it did not get so entrenched in it.   I was certainly was and working the two into one took even more work.

beloved

[aqrinc]

longhorn,

Here are some definitions of pernicious; i was not talking about the drinking part. LOL.

George.

Main Entry: per·ni·cious 
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈni-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin perniciosus, from pernicies destruction, from per- + nec-, nex violent death — more at noxious
Date: 15th century
1: highly injurious or destructive : deadly
2archaic : wicked
— per·ni·cious·ly adverb
— per·ni·cious·ness noun
synonyms pernicious , baneful , noxious , deleterious , detrimental mean exceedingly harmful. pernicious implies irreparable harm done through evil or insidious corrupting or undermining <the claim that pornography has a pernicious effect on society>. baneful implies injury through poisoning or destroying <the baneful notion that discipline destroys creativity>. noxious applies to what is both offensive and injurious to the health of a body or mind <noxious chemical fumes>. deleterious applies to what has an often unsuspected harmful effect <a diet found to have deleterious effects>. detrimental implies obvious harmfulness to something specified <the detrimental effects of excessive drinking>.

[Beloved]

  George

Now you gave Longhorn another word to worry about  BANEFUL   

Ignore it Lornghorn and read the rest of the definition that George provided....you will get it.   

I forgot that one myself....baneful it does not come up in many of my conversations whereas pernicious does for me occasionlly ...pernicious anemia, a vit b12 defieiciency caused by serious stomach disorder and/or diet defieicy.

You can use it around your ranch...you can look for dem pernious polecats now.

Your a hoot Longhorn thanks for bringing me back down to earth.

beloved

[aqrinc]

longhorn,

You Brother; you have probably (and i am fairly certain) earned more onion skin than i will ever
see in this life. I don't know why in tarnation you start acting so ossified and ornery. Anyway
someday we need to hook up and swap a cup or two of swamp sludge.

George.

[Longhorn]

longhorn,

Here are some definitions of pernicious; i was not talking about the drinking part. LOL.

George.

Main Entry: per·ni·cious 
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈni-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin perniciosus, from pernicies destruction, from per- + nec-, nex violent death — more at noxious
Date: 15th century
1: highly injurious or destructive : deadly
2archaic : wicked
— per·ni·cious·ly adverb
— per·ni·cious·ness noun
synonyms pernicious , baneful , noxious , deleterious , detrimental mean exceedingly harmful. pernicious implies irreparable harm done through evil or insidious corrupting or undermining <the claim that pornography has a pernicious effect on society>. baneful implies injury through poisoning or destroying <the baneful notion that discipline destroys creativity>. noxious applies to what is both offensive and injurious to the health of a body or mind <noxious chemical fumes>. deleterious applies to what has an often unsuspected harmful effect <a diet found to have deleterious effects>. detrimental implies obvious harmfulness to something specified <the detrimental effects of excessive drinking>.

That describes my ex-wife.  You still didn't give the definition of Pernicious.   

Love in Christ

Longhorn

[Amrhrasach]

AK4 said:  "Is there anything stronger than this the illusion of "free will"--with every doctrine and almost every religion this will link. I have thought hard about this and this "free will" links to them all. They all link to the thought of free will."

Here's one particular voicing that Ray has given concerning free-will AK4.   

Ray:  "I will show that free will is indeed an "idol of the heart" which needs to be repented of. And of all man's sacred cows, free will is the most sacred of all. It is undoubtedly the most difficult doctrine in man's walk with God to acknowledge and give up. And though neither science nor Holy Scripture know anything of a power called "free will," most will continue to defend it even in the light of a mountain of Scriptural proof that contradicts it at every turn."

"And of all man's sacred cows, free will is the most sacred of all."

http://bible-truths.com/lake15.html

"Sacred" doesn't have to be explained.  So, it would appear that "free-will" ranks high in terms of "illusion".  And notice he did say "all". 

Seems in-line with most all religions, and even Ray says the atheist crowd is in agreement with free-will.

A.

[Martinez]

It's true that it is an extremely difficult idol to give up.

Even after you come to the truth that you do not have free will, it is still very hard to not have the attitude that goes along with it.

For example, trying to do things in the flesh and feeling proud about the thing you have learnt even though they are nothing to do with you.

[aqrinc]

Martinez,

Pride cometh before a falling away. We are all falling away and giving that Man of sin notice of eviction.

george.

[Martinez]

Martinez,

Pride cometh before a falling away. We are all falling away and giving that Man of sin notice of eviction.

george.

Very glad about that one George, I really hate that guy!

[Deborah-Leigh]

misconception, misbelief, an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Delusions centering on one's own importance, such as believing that one has done or created something of extreme value or has a "special mission, A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, An erroneous perception of reality. (from any good bible dictionary, thesaurus, dictionary ......

Basically the F L E S H .

Could also be E G O or SELF Esteem!....lots of good bible dictionaries out there

Arc

[aqrinc]

Arc,

Thanks for your always timely comments and quotes, i do read and use (incorporate) them in my gestalt going forward.

Love Peace Knowledge Understanding,

george.

misconception, misbelief, an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Delusions centering on one's own importance, such as believing that one has done or created something of extreme value or has a "special mission, A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, An erroneous perception of reality. (from any good bible dictionary, thesaurus, dictionary ......

Basically the F L E S H .

Could also be E G O or SELF Esteem!....lots of good bible dictionaries out there

Arc

[aqrinc]

Trying to be precise about this but here you goes.

per⋅ni⋅cious   /pərˈnɪʃəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation  [per-nish-uhs] Show IPA Pronunciation 

–adjective 1. causing insidious harm or ruin; ruinous; injurious; hurtful: pernicious teachings; a pernicious lie. 
2. deadly; fatal: a pernicious disease. 
3. Obsolete. evil; wicked.


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Origin:
1515–25; < L perniciōsus ruinous, equiv. to pernici(ēs) ruin (per- per- + -nici-, comb. form of nex death, murder (s. nec-) + -iēs n. suffix) + -ōsus -ous
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc.

longhorn,

Here are some definitions of pernicious; i was not talking about the drinking part. LOL.

George.

Main Entry: per·ni·cious 
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈni-shəs\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin perniciosus, from pernicies destruction, from per- + nec-, nex violent death — more at noxious
Date: 15th century
1: highly injurious or destructive : deadly
2archaic : wicked
— per·ni·cious·ly adverb
— per·ni·cious·ness noun
synonyms pernicious , baneful , noxious , deleterious , detrimental mean exceedingly harmful. pernicious implies irreparable harm done through evil or insidious corrupting or undermining <the claim that pornography has a pernicious effect on society>. baneful implies injury through poisoning or destroying <the baneful notion that discipline destroys creativity>. noxious applies to what is both offensive and injurious to the health of a body or mind <noxious chemical fumes>. deleterious applies to what has an often unsuspected harmful effect <a diet found to have deleterious effects>. detrimental implies obvious harmfulness to something specified <the detrimental effects of excessive drinking>.

That describes my ex-wife.  You still didn't give the definition of Pernicious.  

Love in Christ

Longhorn

[Falconn003]

misconception, misbelief, an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Delusions centering on one's own importance, such as believing that one has done or created something of extreme value or has a "special mission, A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, An erroneous perception of reality. (from any good bible dictionary, thesaurus, dictionary ......

Basically the F L E S H .

Could also be E G O or SELF Esteem!....lots of good bible dictionaries out there

Arc

AYE........

an over-inflated sense of self-worth = E G O or SELF Esteem ....

Rodger

[aqrinc]

Rodger,

My ego has been crushed for a while now, Thanks Be To God. Now i realize that not i But Christ In me is All in All To
The Glory Of God The Father.

george.

misconception, misbelief, an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Delusions centering on one's own importance, such as believing that one has done or created something of extreme value or has a "special mission, A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, An erroneous perception of reality. (from any good bible dictionary, thesaurus, dictionary ......

Basically the F L E S H .

Could also be E G O or SELF Esteem!....lots of good bible dictionaries out there

Arc

AYE........

an over-inflated sense of self-worth = E G O or SELF Esteem ....

Rodger

[chuckt]

yes, the doctrine of ""freewill"" creates all kinds of delusions.   

peace
chuckt