The man's lost it!!

[musicman]

Obviously, Hell No is speaking from the heart but that doesn't mean that he is speaking in spirit.  Many people sit behind their computers shouting their oppinions at the world but will not put themselves out there in person.  Sometimes people are just frustrated with the world and the computer is the best way to relieve the tension.  And what kind of person should be out their teaching the truths?  Should everyone that learns some truths about God just go out and teach even if their personal lives are not that Christ like?  What kind of example would that be?  Now, I have followed Hell No's work for several months and I see someone that has little patience for the evil hell teaching.  That's understandable, but what kind of a person is he?  We don't know.  Personally, I get a kick out of his sarcasm and antics.  That sort of inspires me.  We all like Ray's style.  But at least he holds conferences and doesn't seem to be hiding anything.  What's this Hell No hiding?  I wonder.

[Ninny]

Food for thought, Musicman...food for thought! 
Kathy

[aqrinc]

Matt 22:37-40  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

John 13:34  A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

Roy,

Here is what 'Jesus thought' and commanded. If going out to take on Babylon is what is led on your heart to do, go ahead...no one's stopping you. You can find people in every city, in every country, and throughout the internet who will go tit for tat with you.

Again, living a Godly example in ALL aspects of your life speaks much louder than clever arguments...but again, no one's stopping you, go right on ahead.


Marques


P.S.

Eph 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand

I don't know how many DON'T believe this scripture...or is it simply ignored? People want to wrestle & debate their fellow man instead PREPARING themselves with the armour of God against that which is SPIRITUAL! But of course, I guess this is not what 'Jesus thought' seeing how he hand-picked Paul who made this profound statement.

Ditto Marques,

Anyone who wants, can start trying to show what light they have. Problems come up when we forget: that GOD Has Never Been in anything less, Than Total Control. People are how they are because Jesus Christ wants them exactly that way, until He is ready to shine the Light on them that will both remove the scales and have them ready to receive GOD'S Truths. At such times is when those that GOD Has training, will be told what to do, when, where and exactly how.

Probably one reason these verses below were written is for that very lesson, wait on The Lord, Go When He Gives The Marching Orders.

Acts 9:10-21 (GNB)
10  There was a believer in Damascus named Ananias. He had a vision, in which the Lord said to him, "Ananias!" "Here I am, Lord," he answered.

11  The Lord said to him, "Get ready and go to Straight Street, and at the house of Judas ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul. He is praying,
12  and in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come in and place his hands on him so that he might see again."

13  Ananias answered, "Lord, many people have told me about this man and about all the terrible things he has done to your people in Jerusalem.

14  And he has come to Damascus with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who worship you."
15  The Lord said to him, "Go, because I have chosen him to serve me, to make my name known to Gentiles and kings and to the people of Israel.

16  And I myself will show him all that he must suffer for my sake."

17  So Ananias went, entered the house where Saul was, and placed his hands on him. "Brother Saul," he said, "the Lord has sent me---Jesus himself, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here. He sent me so that you might see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

18  At once something like fish scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he was able to see again. He stood up and was baptized;
19  and after he had eaten, his strength came back. Saul stayed for a few days with the believers in Damascus.

20  He went straight to the synagogues and began to preach that Jesus was the Son of God.

21  All who heard him were amazed and asked, "Isn't he the one who in Jerusalem was killing those who worship that man Jesus? And didn't he come here for the very purpose of arresting those people and taking them back to the chief priests?"

george.

[Roy Martin]

I never did say I want to take on Babylon, or even get near it. I'm talking about something totally different. Hell No does what he does. Hes just a man like any other man  sharing his truth with who ever will listen on the internet. At least he isn't afraid to meet the world with what he has. I doubt that his efforts go in vain. I'm sure that many read his stuff and believe it and come to read some of Rays material. I did see he suggested reading Rays paper. No one is perfect. I commend him for at least trying and doing his best. I would do what he does in a heart beat, but I alone am not prepared to do it on my own. I ask again, What good is a body of people if we don't stand together as a body, and keep it amongst ourselves waiting for someone to come our way? I'm getting a bit confused about some things.

Roy

[mharrell08]

I never did say I want to take on Babylon, or even get near it. I'm talking about something totally different. Hell No does what he does. Hes just a man like any other man  sharing his truth with who ever will listen on the internet. At least he isn't afraid to meet the world with what he has. I doubt that his efforts go in vain. I'm sure that many read his stuff and believe it and come to read some of Rays material. I did see he suggested reading Rays paper. No one is perfect. I commend him for at least trying and doing his best. I would do what he does in a heart beat, but I alone am not prepared to do it on my own. I ask again, What good is a body of people if we don't stand together as a body, and keep it amongst ourselves waiting for someone to come our way? I'm getting a bit confused about some things.

Roy

Roy, that is exactly what you are saying, whether you fully understand or not. Babylon is a Mother, with many spiritual daughters over many nations...it is not just a church building...her influence is throughout the world. There's no difference whether in a church building, coffee shop, protest rally, internet forum, etc...as Christ said:

Matt 26:52-54  Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

The scriptures, God's Word & Will, MUST BE FULFILLED...ALL OF IT. Where in any of Paul, Peter, John's epistles do they admonish us to take on those in flesh and blood. That's not where the true battle is...the true battle is in the spirit.

2 Cor 10:3-6  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

As Paul says, when your obedience is FULFILLED...growing in obedience and knowledge and wisdom and most important LOVE will cause:

1. More persecution than you can shake a stick at ['ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake'...Matt 10:22]

2. Edifying our brethren in the faith ['when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren'...Luke 22:32]

3. PERFECTION and cementing your calling ['Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect'...Matt 5:48] & ['give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things (faith, knowledge, patience, love, etc.), ye shall never fall'...2 Pet 1:10]

We don't have to worry about telling someone 'how' to live and believe in God if we would just 'LIVE' it ourselves...that's the greatest example and admonishment one can give, it speaks tremendous volumes.

I can't stress that enough and I'm sure other members will testify the same. He [Jesus] must INCREASE but I must DECREASE (John 3:30).

Read through Ray's notes and review the audio/video from the conference...the sections regarding worship and life of the believer. FYI: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10844.0.html & http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8227.0.html


Marques

[aqrinc]

I never did say I want to take on Babylon, or even get near it. I'm talking about something totally different. Hell No does what he does. Hes just a man like any other man  sharing his truth with who ever will listen on the internet. At least he isn't afraid to meet the world with what he has. I doubt that his efforts go in vain. I'm sure that many read his stuff and believe it and come to read some of Rays material. I did see he suggested reading Rays paper. No one is perfect. I commend him for at least trying and doing his best. I would do what he does in a heart beat, but I alone am not prepared to do it on my own. I ask again, What good is a body of people if we don't stand together as a body, and keep it amongst ourselves waiting for someone to come our way? I'm getting a bit confused about some things.

Roy

Hi Roy,

The comments are not aimed at anyone who wants to evangelize or minister to others. This is what The Scriptures Teach; you do not light a fire, then hide it under a bushel or cover. My point is in fact that we; anyone of us can minister to others if we wish; but do not forget that; GOD IT IS WHO DIRECTS us when HE IS READY.

Look brother, both Scripture outakes below agree with you, but not as a group, remember The Unity Is In The Spirit Of GOD. No need for another unity, we can minister to the world from anywhere.

Luk 11:33(KJV) 
No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

Luk 10:1-4 (GNB)
1  After this the Lord chose another seventy-two men and sent them out two by two, to go ahead of him to every town and place where he himself was about to go.
2  He said to them, "There is a large harvest, but few workers to gather it in. Pray to the owner of the harvest that he will send out workers to gather in his harvest.
3  Go! I am sending you like lambs among wolves.
4  Don't take a purse or a beggar's bag or shoes; don't stop to greet anyone on the road.

Here though is a sobering warning for teachers:

Luk 12:41-48 (KJV)
41  Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42  And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43  Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44  Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45  But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46  The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47  And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48  But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

And again i say; we need to wait on GOD; patience is a virtue, it also must be developed over time.

george.

[soberxp]

1Th 5:11  Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. 
1Th 5:12  And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 
1Th 5:13  And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. 
1Th 5:14  Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. 
1Th 5:15  See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. 

Luk 17:2  It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 
Luk 17:3  Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. 
Luk 17:4  And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. 
Luk 17:5  And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.

I thought this way would be better.

[soberxp]

Psa 95:9  When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work. 
Psa 95:10  Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: 
Psa 95:11  Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest. 

The man's lost GODS ways.

I think he did not read the Bible at all.

Act 17:23  For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 
2Peter 1:8  In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 
Hebrews 3:10  Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 
2Peter 2:21  For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

1Corinthians 15:34  Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1John 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.   

[Roy Martin]

Thank you Marques, George, and soberxp. I will meditate and pray about what you have said with the scriptures you provided.
When I get on these kind of things, God usually clears it up for me after I've chewed it to pieces.
As for now I'm a bit confused, and maybe some disappointment too. Oh well, its not my first time to come to a rough spot in the road, and it won't be my last.
I know I have some rebel in me. Its the way I grew up. I don't know if I'll ever get rid of all of it, but I want to. and do try to. I know we are not to be of this world, and all is in Gods time, but I live in this world and admit that I can't escape it, so I try to fight it and oppose it.Yes I'm carnal and am always fighting the beast, but I never give up the fight.
I hated my stepfather with a passion. He use to make me go out on the street and fight the biggest school bully, and sometimes 2 or three of them. He would threaten to beat me within an inch of my life if I didn't get out there and fight. He meant what he said. Many times I couldn't walk for a week because of the damage he did to me, so I would go out and fight with all I had in me, and I was a runt way smaller than anyone, but I beat those bullys up every single time because I had a reason to fight. Well the fight is still in me but not like that. You get my point. Only God can fix me. I can't do it. I also believe in watching a brothers back, being there for him.
 OK, so you think I'm messed up. Well I know I am but really who isn't?

Thanks again.
Roy

[Ninny]

Roy it's good that now Jesus has already won our battles and we will be victorious! We are more than conquerors! God is working on all of us and surely we are all doing what we do by God's design...even Hell NO! He is where he is supposed to be..and we can pray and watch his back with our prayers and our love..God will honor it all! He loves us all and will bring it all into His Will!!  peace and love to all of you!! 
Kathy

[soberxp]

Roy Martin

now u said you had a reason to fight,but fight for what?u konw fighting the beast,u never give up the fight,cuz ur stepfather Training You.you better think this way,Everything has two sides,To see how you Would like to control,when u think in this way,You should not hate him ur stepfather,cuz ur stepfather Training You enter into the way,that is u konw fighting the beast,fight in your mind.

just my point,If you accept.

[Roy Martin]

I'm sorry soberxp for not recognizing you are a new poster. Welcome from me. Its always a pleasure to see new people showing up. I'm new too somewhat. Thank you for your reply.

Peace
Roy

[mharrell08]

Thank you Marques, George, and soberxp. I will meditate and pray about what you have said with the scriptures you provided.
When I get on these kind of things, God usually clears it up for me after I've chewed it to pieces.
As for now I'm a bit confused, and maybe some disappointment too. Oh well, its not my first time to come to a rough spot in the road, and it won't be my last.
I know I have some rebel in me. Its the way I grew up. I don't know if I'll ever get rid of all of it, but I want to. and do try to. I know we are not to be of this world, and all is in Gods time, but I live in this world and admit that I can't escape it, so I try to fight it and oppose it.Yes I'm carnal and am always fighting the beast, but I never give up the fight.
I hated my stepfather with a passion. He use to make me go out on the street and fight the biggest school bully, and sometimes 2 or three of them. He would threaten to beat me within an inch of my life if I didn't get out there and fight. He meant what he said. Many times I couldn't walk for a week because of the damage he did to me, so I would go out and fight with all I had in me, and I was a runt way smaller than anyone, but I beat those bullys up every single time because I had a reason to fight. Well the fight is still in me but not like that. You get my point. Only God can fix me. I can't do it. I also believe in watching a brothers back, being there for him.
 OK, so you think I'm messed up. Well I know I am but really who isn't?

Thanks again.
Roy

1 Cor 9:25-27  Everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified [NKJV]

1 Tim 6:10-12  For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.


Keep the faith Roy,

Marques

[Roy Martin]

Thanks Marques.
Keeping the faith.
In time you will see that I'm not afraid of falling, nor am I afraid of getting back up.
I don't know you personally, but in a heart beat I would be there to defend you, watch your back as the term I grew up with. I would give you my last dollar and give you the shirt off my back. I only weigh 140 so the shirt might not fit, but I would give it to you.Why would I do that? Its just the way I am. You are my brother in Christ, so I don't feel like I have but one choice, and that is to do what is the honorable thing to do. This might be a carnal thing, I don't know. I would also do this for a complete stranger if it was in my heart. A little story if no one minds. I was sitting in my car at my dads house years ago when this guy at least 6-7 feet tall came out of his house cussing at his wife, and this little puppy walked up to him. He picked up the puppy and started beating it. I came out of my car with fire in my eyes, yelled at the guy as I approached him saying beat on me like that, and a few not to mention angry words. He saw no fear in my eyes as I was going to beat the heck out of this guy. To my surprise he turned to run into his house yelling something at me. Just as he slammed the door I hit the door with both feet knocking it open just in time to see him going out the back door running down the street. Oh I was so darn mad and really wanted to do some damage to him, but man this guy could run with that 6-7 foot tall body and legs. I went straight through his house and out the back door. He was gone out of sight.
OK! enough of that story, but the point is I stand up for what is right, and can't keep from defending someone or something in need whether it be physical, spiritual, or just moral support.

Peace
Roy

[Ninny]

Roy that just made me laugh!! I have always thought you remind me of my dad!! haha!! My dad was a man of small stature but a HUGE heart!! He was maybe 5'4 and if he was all wet he may have weighed 130 pounds!! But he was NOT afraid of anything! One time there was a bull in his pen of cows..(He was a dairy farmer) and that bull tried to get him every time he went into the pen, so one day my dad had had enough and he took a big ole syringe with him to the pen and when the bull came at him he just jammed that needle into the bull's neck and gave him a nice shot of air and the bull died instantly!! No one ever messed with my dad! hahaha!! I never saw him ever be mean to an animal except for that! I got my dad's size, but NOT his nerve!!  We gotta be there for each other, dude! and that's the truth! I'm not very scrappy, but I like to give hugs, that's my way of helping out!! 
Kathy

[Roy Martin]

Kathy, you know the world would be at a great loss without people like you.Hugs to you, and have a great day.

Roy

[Ninny]

Thank you, Roy! 
Kathy

[Roy Martin]

Sorry musicman for taking over your thread.
I'm finished.

Peace
Roy

[musicman]

You can take over any time RM.  I happen to agree that Hell No does a good service for the bible-truths website.  He gives Ray credit in several of his posts.  Including the one about Carrie that was taken down by the administrators of hub pages.  And I don't see him making up his own material.  The sarcasm?  Yes.  But there isn't much teaching on there that isn't from Ray's writings.

[Ninny]

Yes, guys and wasn't Carrie's whole article on "for the followers of L. Ray Smith" written because of Hell NO's constant referrals to his material? She couldn't answer Hell NO so she decided to try to discredit Ray instead..go figure!! See Hell NO and the others were just too much for her to deal with..You're right Musicman...he gives it straight from Ray's teaching, I haven't seen him give personal opinion on Bible Truths material, BUT his personal opinion on the way the church mutilates the scriptures and the truth about God?? He goes where angels fear to tread!!! His use of sarcasm is blatant and he doesn't apologize for the truth!! ha! 
and that's MY opinion!!! 
Kathy