Exactly. Why say it if it weren't true?
Isaiah 54:8 In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a little while. But with everlasting love I will have compassion on you," says the LORD, your Redeemer.
It was only for a little while. I don't know if this verse is any help, but if God the Father was angry, He wasn't angry with Jesus because Jesus didn't do anything deserving of God's wrath. But I imagine if it is true, God was angered by what He had to witness was happening to His Son. I don't think He wanted to forsake Him but He had to in order for death to come. But it was only for a little while. And of course, we all know that He redeemed Jesus from the grave.
My 2 cents.
That verse is referencing Israel, not Christ. Jesus was never forsaken.
John 8:29 The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him
"And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son" (Matt 2:15) ="When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son" (Hosea 11:1) ---Now Matthew has some explaining to do....or he doesnt cause he understand a principle....
Just as i said once before, "Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind" (Rom 14:5)
Eugene, Matthew's passage has nothing to do with Isaiah 54...you're confusing the issue.
Again, thanks Shorty. That Isaiah 54 is just another scripture i never saw before, and using Paul and the Apostle's hermeneutics: there are alot of Scripture that Christ can "open our understanding" on and see it's applies to Christ.
thanks for everyone's viewpoint. thanks alot, i really appreciate it
Eugene
Eugene, if you really cared about hermeneutics in regards to Paul and the apostles, you wouldn't ignore their words when explaining the very passage you falsely claim as representing Christ. The very first verse in Isaiah 54 should be all we need to realize who is being spoken to and more importantly by Whom:
Isaiah 54:1 “Sing, O barren, You who have not borne! Break forth into singing, and cry aloud, You who have not labored with child! For more are the children of the desolate Than the children of the married woman,” says the Lord.Paul himself quotes this very verse
and explains the symbolism:
Gal 4:21-27 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic.
For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written: “Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband.”Notice Paul's words: "corresponds to Jerusalem". Not Christ. Further proof within Isaiah 54:
Isaiah 54:4 "Do not fear, for you will not be ashamed; Neither be disgraced, for you will not be put to shame; For you will forget the shame of your youth, And will not remember the reproach of your widowhood anymore.So through hermeneutics, we learn that Christ will 'forget the SHAME of His youth' and the 'REPROACH of His widowhood'? When has Christ ever been associated with shame and widowhood? This is what happens when we attempt to find scriptures to fit our pet theories instead of actually READING what the scriptures say.
Getting back to 'shame and widowhood'...who do we read of having these type of negative qualities?
Rev 18:4-8 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her.
In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.It is a WOMAN being spoken to in Isaiah 54, symbolically. This WOMAN has the same attributes as the symbolic WOMAN in Revelation 18. That is what you would call a SPIRITUAL MATCH. Both these women refer to Israel aka the church, all groups of people who claim to serve the True Living God but spread false doctrine in His name.
You do not get a spiritual match from one verse referencing Christ as Israel and then assuming EVERY verse talking about Israel is talking about Christ. That's how you get crazy ideas like the Father forsaking His Son and other such nonsense.
Notice in the same passage of Isaiah 54 the Lord speaking of displaying His WRATH in turning away ('With a little wrath I hid My face from you for a moment' - Isa 54:8 ). Do we really need to go through all Ray's studies about how the Father never brought His wrath onto His Son?
And to top it all off, a few members mentioned the 'Solving the Enigma of God' paper...that paper explains WHO was actually speaking to who in Isaiah 54. It is Jehovah speaking to Israel. And if you have read this paper, you understand that Jehovah is 'Jesus Saves'. So it is Christ speaking, and not to Himself but to His people about where they've been spiritually and where they're going spiritually.
Marques