Hello Ian,
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding but its to my knowledge what the elect are going through here and now all others will go through the same thing there and then.
God is no respecter of persons, so how have you come to feel there is a greater punishment for people who are as we, without free will?
I do agree from what I understand that the towers or mountains in one’s life are more important in being brought down by Christ but Ray does speak of the W.T.C. as being a significant date in human history, relating it with prophecy.
If one sees the hand of God moving in the physical as Ray was pointing out why look the other way is all I’m saying.
And we were getting along just fine Rick, now look what you've gone an done....
God is no respecter of persons, so how have you come to feel there is a greater punishment for people who are as we, without free will?heres What I actually said and meant .."Im referring to fraudsters who
initially spoke lies into us,meaning (it could be our sunday school teacher,1st Pastor, Moms,Dads whoever was used to sow these lies we once believed - some still believe the "twisted" version) just as the devil did to Eve,
"Nevertheless through envy of the
devil came death into the world: and they that
do hold of
his side
do find it".We however know that Christ has come to destroy these works in us and God will raise us up (resurrect) us,from these lies.
This punishment, for them that done this, will make whatever is happening in this world look like "Peanuts". I mean, you try and swim with a huge rock attached to your neck "spiritually speaking" they will always be scheming, always finding ways to get more,never at peace,always covering up,backbiters,God haters,slanderers... never in the freedom we have".
Ray does speak of the W.T.C. as being a significant date in human history, relating it with prophecy.The relative
may be Rays understanding/interpretation and Ray
may have been led to
relate Sept 2002 to Isaiah - The actual is Christ in us, the hope of glory. Ray did write this paper early on.
I believe (looking at
later papers ) there was a significant amount of growth in the way Ray understood the scriptures,spiritually speaking.
If one sees the hand of God moving in the physical as Ray was pointing out why look the other way is all I’m saying.The physical is most significant 1 Cor 15 v 46 however that way of thinking is put to death, Rom 6v6 - Like I alluded to, Ray matured, as are you and I maturing, thats the process.We experience a "thing" we grow ...we experience it again we grow each experience causes growth. When you have experienced something 7 times over, you are complete in him.
I MUST ad... that "thing", that you/I are being purified in,is one thing, there are many "things" in us,not all are being worked on at the same time -
I did try start a thread earlier, on the miracles Jesus (performs in us)- Notice the 1st Miracle, WE are changed from Water into Wine this is the 1st step The water of the word
becomes Wine.This is relative to us who are being called...Your/My old way of thinking "WILL surely die"or if you like, the watery understanding we once had, will DIE.
Its all about you and how a loving father has you in mind He used Jesus his one and only son to demonstrate what will/has to happen to YOU - ask, he will show you.
I can write on the towers from my understanding and relate certain scriptures to prove it ... what if I told you it was an inside Job,the Towers were heavily insured just prior to the kamikaze style attack. (how did the owner know) What if I told you Oil was the target, envy,greed and the fear of not having, was the sin-
These traits do not only exist in "Americans"...There is plenty greed in South Africans,yet only 2 families in SA were devastated by this cruel deed.
To ME Ray was a type of John the Baptist - he was used to
point Me in the right direction,for this I thank God .
The physical impact of this mammoth event in Sept 2002, most assuredly has more questions than answers. The destruction however,has happened (past) the loss of life
since that event, with resultant wars, is even more catastrophic.
I must say, from the artist impressions,the new TOWERS look shiny and new and far,far better...
Literally speaking....,according to scripture,and,
if Sept 2002 was indeed America's punishment....
When the shiny, new,clean TOWERS are completed,can we say ...Physical Americans are going to be Seven fold Worse??? >Matt 12 v45
My prayer is that The Father show us the Towers in us and that he dismantle them himself, thru Jesus, not al qaeda.
2 sam 24 v 14 - 1 chron 21 v13 Matt 10:28
May God bless you, with more spiritual understanding