Defending a lie can be harder than telling the truth
your quotes are in black
"David was never begotten a new but rather was of the earth as a natural man. He was not born of spirit so how could his words be spirit (Christ said His words are spirit but Christ was conceived by the spirit)"
Does not all come out of God?While you and I make Judgement on that which comes from God are you and I, yet carnal? You and I Mock God By insinuating our understanding is correct, I will ask you again, Does David Represent God In This scripture you quote as Proof David was yet carnal ?
Were not Davids words inspired by God ? how can you dare say davids words are not spirit ?
The Tree of Knowledge has a 2 fold message most get the 2nd message with ease (evil) the first message (good) is attainable.... if you ask.
Does Good represent Spirit (life) ? does Evil represent Carnal ? (DEATH)
As for "There be some STANDING H-E-R-E which shall not taste of death, TILL [till mean 'until,' and then when the 'till' has occurred, THEY WILL TASTE OF DEATH] they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom" (Matt. 16:28). And just when DID they see this? Answer--next verse:
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Where they really, actually, literally, in the flesh "talking with Jesus?" No. Read verse 9:
Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
It was all a "VISION." It happened in their minds, not unlike a dream--it was only a VISION, but in that vision, they really did see Jesus as He will appear "IN HIS KINGDOM).
Yes we all know this was a vision but how do you get to where ch 17 v1 , is the answer/explanation to ch 16 v27,28 ?
Do you know what the "vision" meant and why God would have it in his word ?Why would they automatically perceive the men in the vision to be these 2 specific prophets ?when they had never laid eyes on them ?
and then when the 'till' has occurred, THEY WILL TASTE OF DEATH]
Really?
do you have a chapter and verse on this interpretation ?
Your cryptic nature of posting leads me to be cautious of what you say because it is not plain what your intentions are.
well here is another "cryptic" message - be cautious.
Being reborn/resurrected, is actually climbing back up into a literal womb.
You and your colleagues are looking for a literal resurrection of the literal dead - good luck...
perhaps Jesus knew something when he said "Let the dead bury the dead"
Ian,
I am afraid we are beyond reasoning now. You twist the scriptures to your own destruction. God is not the author of confusion.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
You have been given sound replies to your previous posts and have dismissed them all, even mocking some in the process.
We have two witnesses against you and Gina shared the second. Let me re-iterate them.
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what
is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and
calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Regardless of the correct translation of Rev 13:8 which david rightly brought to our attention, even if we abandon that, these two witnesses hold. God declares things to be even though they might not have yet come to pass for us. He declares those things which are not as though they were. These are the words of God.
You need two or three witnesses to establish a truth so all your talk about the tree of life and every other seed of confusion you wish to sow means nothing without those witnesses:
Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Because...
2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture at all is becoming its own explanation.
Psalm 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth...
The Word of God is inspired by God. Every piece of scripture is profitable and cannot be broken. That doesn't mean that "Kill my enemies and make it bloody, I hate those guys" roughly summed, is spiritual in meaning. David was a carnal man, his instructions were not for the spiritual. Christ even said:
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Matthew 5: 44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Jesus directly contradicts King David and that is because Jesus' words are spirit but King David who is born of the flesh is flesh. His (King David's) words are not spirit. This isn't me contradicting david, its Christ. You have contention with Christ and not myself Ian when you ask me how can I dare say David's words are not spirit?
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
You need to discern what is evil and what is good.
Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
There are many things that happened in the scripture, such as the words of job's friends (whose words are recorded in the scriptures by inspiration of God), and yet whose words are not spiritual in that they were not truthful. God rebuked job's friends in anger for not being truthful.
Job 42:7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “
I am angry with you and your two friends, because
you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has...
This is a perfect example of being inspired by God and yet the words (of the friends) that were recorded were not spiritual. The words written are only inspired by God in that it was recorded for our admonishment to learn from and in this way has spiritual applications to our lives. It is not because the very words of the friends themselves were spiritual (truth) as you are attempting to do with David's words.
There is so much in your post Ian, so many things we could try and discuss, but mostly I see you are confused and wrestle with the scriptures. There is not much I or anyone else can do. I am reminded of a Mike Vincent who interpreted the scriptures in much the same way as you to the point of believing that we, those in Christ, because we must keep the words of the book, must also undergo the wrath of God. What a damnable doctrine. What a dangerous road to be on.
I'm not sure I can add more other than to recognize that there is too much here to try and discuss all at once so I chose what I could answer.
In Christ,
Alex
P.S. The answer to Matthew 16:27-28 can lie in Chapter 17 because the scriptures were not written with "Chapters" and these breaks we now have in the bible. Those are editorial additions many centuries later. In other words, the scriptures did not have these breaks and separations but rather flowed one verse after another uninterrupted.