Here is a question that might has to do with the main intention of this thread.
If I could only marriage legally in Gods eyes through the government paper...
Why does my spiritual well being and integrity has to depend on my availability for the carnal government and their papers?
I agree that A ceremony and vow between one man and one woman makes a marriage (Gen 5:2, Matthew 9:4)
Paul says, Let your Yes be Yes and Your No be No. (Yes, I have read Rays paper on marriage)
We ought to obey God before man.
I am okay with following all rational and respectful laws that governments make (traffic laws, respecting the things of others and things like that). I am just very suspicious about how this signing of random "official" papers can be able to mess up with my spiritual life. I don't want to be a fornicator.
You know, the easiest thing to do is to stop thinking about it, pay 35 dollars and sign the "official" paper, and I would also save my self all this time of posting and defending my point.
But sometimes looking for the truth becomes not the 'easiest way to go'. And I could make a big list of hypothetical situations where the signing of this "official" paper would be impossible to sign, inconvenient to sign, suspicious to sign, and meaningless to sign.
I somewhat understand how societies work and how civilizations need this kind of organization, etc, etc. I am not trying to change the worlds rules, I am just concerned about my own personal way to deal with this matters as a truth seeker.
sincerely
Moises
ps. I am open for rational discussion and reconsider my personal suspicious on the matter.
If you don't agree with me,
please be nice.
Hi Moises,
Our human reasoning on this matter is not what counts, we need to try to go by what is God's will and Scriptural. We know that marriage is spoken of many times and Paul says "it is better to marry than to burn with passion." Do we really think Paul is saying that to "marry" only needs to be some kind of 'private' commitment, no matter how sincere? The marriage ceremony is about the PUBLIC commitment before witnesses, family and friends, that creates a binding contact/covenant of a marriage. Those who attend bare witness to the couples words/vow of commitment, the 'witnesses' are always required for it to be legal. This creates the contract/covenant and God recognizes that.
Mal 2:14 Yet you say, "For what reason?" Because the LORD has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion And your
wife by covenant.
The 'piece of paper' is only to establish a legal record of the marriage commitment/contract, so the couple can then partake of the benefits; tax benefits, med. insurance benefits through a spouse's employment, receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses. Actually the church used to keep many public records of marriage, births, death dates, and is considered an official record, that's why Christians used it and in past centuries, so there would be a record. But you don't have to involve church or minister at all, there are many officials that can legally marry a couple. Maybe in the near future you won't even need a piece of paper, maybe it will all be done through computer programs or fingerprints or something.
Also this earthly marriage is a shadow of the spiritual marriage of Christ to His bride/church. It symbolizes that perfect union when Christ becomes one with His bride and that will have many witnesses as well.
Rev 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but
I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Think about how the marriage of the elect to Christ at resurrection will actually produce many offspring, the elect will be "saviors" "priests" and Christ, through the elect will bring salvation to the world. Eventually the rest of mankind will be born into the kingdom too.
Oba 1:21 Then saviors shall come to Mount Zion To judge the mountains of Esau, And the kingdom shall be the LORD's.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them...
That's what makes the same gender/sex marriage a farce, IMO... marriage symbolizes Christ and the elect united to produce children, salvation of the rest of humanity, that is impossible for a marriage of the same gender. We have to stop trying to understand things through worldly eyes, there is no truth there.
1Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people to be His very own and to proclaim the wonderful deeds of the One who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
v. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God. Once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
v. 11 Dear friends, I urge you as aliens and exiles to keep on abstaining from the desires of the flesh that wage war against the soul.
v. 12 Continue to live such upright lives among the gentiles that, when they slander you as practicers of evil, they may see your good actions and glorify God when He visits them.
v. 13 For the Lord's sake submit yourselves to every human authority: whether to the king as supreme,
v. 14 or to governors who are sent by Him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right.
v. 15 For it is God's will that by doing right you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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