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gmik:
So, yes, All is from/of/into/out of/bcz of/for/<insert whatever>/GOD. So the sinning idea was strictly manmade, the answer is "so the works of God could be shown". Is that correct?  but many others that have been born blind never get their sight back and so no works of God are shown.  Is it just the potter/clay?  I must admit that has always confused me so I just skimmed right over.

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Marky Mark on June 10, 2009, 08:35:32 AM ---Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents [that is 'sinned to cause this blindness']: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

I may be missing the boat some where along the line here with these verses.

In all of the numbers of time that I have come across these verses in John,I can honestly say that "The transmigration of souls" pagan belief had not ever even crossed my mind.I had always thought the answer was always the very next verse "but that the works of God should be made manifest in him".    Is my line of thought concerning"who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? not answered plainly by Jesus?

 Is not ALL from God? ???



Peace...Mark

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--- Quote from: gmik on June 10, 2009, 11:25:56 AM ---So, yes, All is from/of/into/out of/bcz of/for/<insert whatever>/GOD. So the sinning idea was strictly manmade, the answer is "so the works of God could be shown". Is that correct?  but many others that have been born blind never get their sight back and so no works of God are shown.  Is it just the potter/clay?  I must admit that has always confused me so I just skimmed right over.

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What is it, exactly, that is not being understood? So the members can be of assistance.

Marky Mark:
Marques,its not that I do not understand the verse,but how could anyone of the Spirit not see that Jesus is saying that all is of and for the Father,and not of some past life in a pagan belief system. ???

Kat:

Hi Mark,

John 9:2  And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
v. 3  Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

It seems to me that the Disciples at this time did not understand, as they were not converted.  Jesus used this occasion to teach them that, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should revealed in him."  

So even though we can understand what Jesus said, because we have the next verse where He explains it.  Maybe this was the first time that He was teaching this truth to the Disciples, so they did not know.  

Gena, it seems to me that Jesus is saying that this particular man's blindness was "that the works of God should be revealed in him."  Because this man was healed, so God's work was "revealed in him."

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Linny:
Since we are asking questions...
Quote from Ray (which I am in total agreement with)
"If I am to be healed, it will be abundantly clear that it is God’s accomplishment, and not mine.  Healing is linked to the forgiveness of sins, and only GOD can forgive sins—that is, to make them go away and nullify their harmful effects (Mark 2:5-12)."
Mar 2:5

(ASV)  "And Jesus seeing their faith saith unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins are forgiven."

"So the sinning idea was strictly manmade..."
Yes, the pagan idea of soul shifting but the idea of sin/sickness appears to be Scriptural. Am I missing something?

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