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Love of truth?
lauriellen:
i just wanted to thank all who posted in this thread. this has been one of the most BEAUTIFULLY TRUE, & HEALING things i have ever read. we all live with a measure of pain, all from different sources, but nothing is too hard for God. He is our healer and our comfort, if we would just keep our eyes on Him.
thankyou, thankyou, thankyou,
lauriellen
aqrinc:
Amen Marlene.
Joh 15: 16-18 (MKJV)
16 You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and ordained you that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain; that whatever you shall ask of the Father in My name, He may give it to you.
17 These things I command you, that you love one another.
18 If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
george. :)
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: Beloved on June 13, 2009, 09:56:32 PM ---How do we obtain this love of truth, it is certainly not of self
Gary and Firefly to add to what George said
Many of us come from dysfunctional families but as we grow we learn more that we are not to focus on ourselves any more ….we are to die to self… it does not matter that we are not loved
Beloved
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Beloved, I couldn't agree with you more. My point in that segment of this thread was merely to point out that sometimes coming from a dysfuntional family makes for difficult to learn love and trust........on a worldly level, and yes perhaps on the converted level as well. Now, if I understand correctly to "die to self" is nothing that can be accomplished on our own since we are carnal by nature. That is a transformation that only Christ in us can do. But until that occurs, by his will, that transformation will NOT occur and we remain steadfast on wanting to receive love from the world. Growing up in a dysfuntional family is not some "story" that everyone has at one time or another in their childhood and "events" that we should simply "get over" by our own will. No, it's often lifetime baggage. People from dysfuntional families live their entire lives attempting to shed low self esteem, understanding how to care, and understanding love and how to give it, and receive it. So when the holy spirit comes into a person of that caliber is that transformation absolutely "immediate"? No, it isn't, not in my assessment. And I could certainly be wrong. My point is...and was... that the growing in that area takes some time. It's one thing to say "die to self", it's an entirely another to accomplish that feat and even with that it certainly is no achievement we can claim and boast of. I know YOU know these things. It really isn't you I'm writing to, more so to me and others like me who have not had the pleasure of content and intact families as their childhood progressed.
I hope you understand. And if I'm incorrect in my assessment, by all means, gently provide correction and I'll stretch even further, God willing, to understand and grow. Because at this point I'm looking at myself and wondering two things: if Christ is in me at all why can't I get past some things and "die to self" from events that happened in my early childhood that so affected my life; and another is: perhaps I have "head knowledge" only of who Christ is and what he was sent to accomplish. If either is true I shouldn't be wasting time learning of the things of God and Christ, or being a member of this forum.
Head knowledge is a good thing. But so is heart knowledge.
Gary
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Horseman on June 15, 2009, 09:30:35 AM ---So when the holy spirit comes into a person of that caliber is that transformation absolutely "immediate"? No, it isn't, not in my assessment. And I could certainly be wrong. My point is...and was... that the growing in that area takes some time. It's one thing to say "die to self", it's an entirely another to accomplish that feat and even with that it certainly is no achievement we can claim and boast of.
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No Gary, you're not wrong at all...there is no such thing as instant patience, repentance, love or any other fruit of the spirit.
Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Eph 5:8-10 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
1 Cor 15:22-23 For as in Adam all die [including dying to self] , even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [Gk. quickened or vivified] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Ecc 1:1-8
1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Like you said Gary, these all come in His appointed time.
Marques
ez2u:
Gary and others the original post that you express this loyalty in. This i believe is a hope that Christ has place in you ( meaning a place in your being, of God) not the hope of the world that disappoints but the anticipation of what is to come in Him. We are helpless without Him, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ we are born in the damned nature disappoints and beatings come We all do have our stories but every thing works together for the Good of them that love the Lord and call according to His purposed. Jesus word says He is the author and the finisher of our faith Praise God He will do what he set out to do and WE will not be disappointed MY personal trials or affection although I cry out at the time have taught me the most. I wonder what happen to shadrach ect after they got thrown into the firer! My God! how life changing was that!
Jesus is loyal Jesus is faithful. i can trust Him much more than i can trust myself Wasn't Paul; saying he couldn't put his trust in himself but in Christ? peggy
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