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How did God know evil? where did it come from?
bunnylife:
--- Quote from: darren on August 02, 2009, 11:25:20 PM ---As far as I know (and that ain't much) God can not look upon evil. He does not do evil.
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Darren as I started this others have already posted.
Deu 4:25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evilH7451 in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
Now for the church to say God can’t look on evil, I don’t know how many verses (53?) there are in the Old Testament that states in the sight of the LORD they did evil.
There are 85 verses with God evil and (except for one?) the evil mentioned with the word God was râ‛âh - from knowledge of good and evil. It is the evil He is going to bring upon them or evil they are doing. There are other variations of the word evil that men do. 201 verses with Lord or LORD evil the most with râ‛âh
I've heard the Babylon church that says God can’t look upon sin. (Mankind doing evil is sin). I don’t see a scripture that says that. I do know only the pure in heart can see God. The carnal mind can never see or understand God. That God is with the sinner and righteous in sheol/hades (the unseen). I think this is just another way the Babylon church has to distance God from evil that they say He never created and a way for the sinners that don’t know Jesus Christ to go to their fable hell.
2Ti 3:13 But evil4190 men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
G4190
πονηρός
ponēros
pon-ay-ros'
From a derivative of G4192; hurtful, that is, evil (properly in effect or influence, and thus differing from G2556, which refers rather to essential character, as well as from G4550, which indicates degeneracy from original virtue); figuratively calamitous; also (passively) ill, that is, diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, that is, derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners: - bad, evil, grievous, harm, lewd, malicious, wicked (-ness). See also G4191.
569 verses on evil and 655 on good. Father God knew we had to know evil to know what is good. Evil and good are the opposites but they are from one fruit. Without evil and satan pushing my buttons (caused by God) I would not recognize the beast. I edited out some what I have stated earlier. Everything is of Him for His glory!
In His Joy,
Bunni
Dave in Tenn:
From the Repentance transcript:
" ...Aha, I think I have God figured out now. When the sun is up, it’s not damp, it’s not wet, it’s not cold, it’s not dark. When the sun goes down it’s cold, damp and dark. Therefore the sun is the cause of dampness, cold and darkness. How do you like that? Cause when the sun’s up you don’t have those things, and when the sun goes down you have them. Therefore this darkness is caused by the sun."
No, that’s wrong. That’s the way some people understand theology.
It’s 'when the sun is gone the automatic results is, it’s dark, cold and damp'. The sun didn’t cause it. It’s when the sun comes up the sun takes it away. It’s not when the sun goes down it causes it to come. It always been there, it’s the sun that takes it away, it’s not the sun causes it to come, and that’s the way God is.
When God removes His beams of light from mankind they become cold and damp and dark. Is that hard to understand? Automatically. God does not have to supernaturally make it dark on one side of the earth when the sun is on the other side. God doesn’t have to do that it’s automatic, and God doesn’t have to force anybody to sin, it’s automatic.
Yes God brings about the circumstances, “Wherefore God gave them up…” yes He did, He’s behind it. But He did it through the lusts of their own hearts. He didn’t force anybody to do anything.
Darren, maybe that's a nudge in the right direction.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: bunnylife on August 03, 2009, 03:57:08 PM ---Whenever the Father decided He wanted children or family, He birthed Wisdom. To have His children He travailed came up with the plan - Wisdom of God (Jesus Christ?) I imagine that the Father had already thought this through gave birthed to the idea (Son) and then implemented it. This involved His Son with the creation of universe and then mankind. The tree of the knowledge of good
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Bunni,
Please don't take this as an attack, but this is not correct. Where exactly did you come to this understanding of the Father birthing Jesus as Wisdom?
The Father did not 'involve' Jesus with the creation of the universe, Jesus IS the creator of the universe and all therein. Jesus, who is GOD, created all there is in wisdom.
Jesus is the express image of The Father [2 Cor 4:4, Col 1:15] in all attributes including wisdom...not as simply 'the wisdom of God'.
Jesus was dead from the sacrifice on the cross...would that mean that The Father's wisdom was dead as well?
Please take no offense but these attempts at keeping the discussions centered on the scriptures and Ray's teachings are for everyone's benefit, especially those who may not be as spiritually mature as others.
Thanks,
Marques
bunnylife:
Marques,
You are right. I wrote this while going through side effects from my injection and I should have not been posting. I many times come up with the wrong word and can not recognize it. I know the Jesus is the Creator of everything.
I didn't mean to teach anything and ask of all of you your forgiveness. I have edited it out.
In His Love,
Bunni
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: bunnylife on August 03, 2009, 08:58:38 PM ---Marques,
You are right. I wrote this while going through side effects from my injection and I should have not been posting. I many times come up with the wrong word and can not recognize it. I know the Jesus is the Creator of everything.
I didn't mean to teach anything and ask of all of you your forgiveness. I have edited it out.
In His Love,
Bunni
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No problem Bunni...all glory to God :)
Marques
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