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How did God know evil? where did it come from?

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gmik:
What an interesting topic.

  I was at that conference and about fell out of my chair when Ray was discussing this.  Wow!! God actually "birthed" wisdom.

  I always wondered about the "Lamb, slain before the foundation of the world"!  The Lord will have Ray reveal when it is God's time not mine!

 

darren:
Yes bunny, that's the question. Before God created the universe, before there was a heaven and earth. God being pure love, where did the thought of evil come from? You said God doesn't create anything from nothing but everything from Himself. Makes me think about that word (everything) which is why I brought up the subject. As far as I know (and that ain't much) God can not look upon evil. He does not do evil. We know on one hand that all that is good comes from God. What about the other hand?? (I am not saying that bad things come from God) I just want to make that clear. God birth wisdom and all came out of God. It is the (all) part that I am seeking ansewers too. I probable never know. Like gmik said, when it is time God will reveal the ansewers to our questions. Like I said I was just listening to the 07 Nashville audios and that part just stuck in my mind. The more I listen to the audios the more I hear.  Ray always stress,  you got to believe in what the scriptures say and we must listen to the words. I know before I started at BT and listening to Ray's teachings I use to read a scripture a get the jest of it and that was it. Now I read the words. (instead of glancing over them).

                                                     Darren

daywalker:

--- Quote from: darren on August 02, 2009, 11:25:20 PM ---As far as I know (and that ain't much) God can not look upon evil. He does not do evil. We know on one hand that all that is good comes from God. What about the other hand??
                                                     Darren

--- End quote ---


God doesn't do evil?


Job 2:10 Yet he said to her, Like the speech of some decadent woman are you speaking. Indeed should we receive good from the One, GOD, and should we not receive evil? In all this, Job did not sin with his lips.

Lamentations 3:38 Do not both the evil and the good come forth from the mouth of the Supreme?

Amos 3:6 Would a trumpet be blown in a city, and the people not tremble? Would there come to be evil in a city, and Yahweh not have done it?

Isaiah 45:6 That they may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is a limit apart from Me. I am Yahweh GOD, and there is none else."
7 Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil. I, Yahweh GOD, made all of these things."

Ecclesiastes 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil GOD has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.


Of course God does evil. God 'created' evil, and God 'uses' evil. Ray goes into great detail on this both in the LOF articles and in several emails. The problem with understanding EVIL is that [and thanks to Christendom and all religions for doing this...] it has become synonymous with SIN in human wisdom. But they are NOT the same. All 'sin' is evil, but 'evil' isn't necessarily 'sin'.

When God 'kills' someone, is it 'evil'? Why, YES, it is. Killing someone is an 'evil' act, not good. But is it 'sin'? Of course not. A 'sin' is a mistake; and God doesn't make mistakes.


ALL is of God. Not just the 'good'. However, coming to fully understand this is very difficult for us humans to do.


Peace, Out

Daywalker  8)

darren:
Yes daywalker, I agree with everything you said. I'm not debating if God uses evil for His purpose. I just wondered where and how He came abut the concept of evil?

                                           Darren

                                                   

NoviceBeliever:
I was listening to Ray's audio "How Hard is Getting Saved" just this morning and was contemplating this very topic regarding much of what he was speaking to regarding evil.  

My simple understanding of GOD creating evil is that without "Evil" we would not recognize the "Good" that GOD is teaching us about so that we can become like him.  So therefore, there couldn't be one without the other. Ray likens it (paraphase) to how would you know if you where warm, if you didn't know what cold felt like.  

Darren, if you haven't read this one yet, there is much in there about the parables speaking to just this issue.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html

NB

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