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daywalker:

--- Quote from: Arion on August 05, 2009, 10:48:04 AM ---I certainly don't want to club anyone over the head with a scripture and of course the Protestant churches are just as guilty as the Catholic ones albeit in different ways at times yet I have to point out that once we know the truth of these things should be still go to their services and go through the motions with them?


--- Quote ---Rev 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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I know it's easier said than done and being single I don't have to placate a spouse or children.  However the blashpemy and paganism is getting so rank in the institutional churches of men how much longer can we tolerate having anything to do with them?  The churches and the organization of course....not the people that are caught up in the deception.

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Hello,

I hear you there, brother. I haven't [nor do I even desire to..] attended a church service since 2007. A few weeks ago, though, I went with my sister to the Annual "Fish Fest 2009" in Irvine, Ca. The Fish is a Christian radio station [94.9 FM, Orange County], and they have an annual 'festival' with various Christian bands and singers. I went because I like a few of the rock bands [namely, "Red", "Jars of Clay" and "This Beautiful Republic"].

Anyway, before the 'main event' band played [Mercy Me--my sister's fav...] there was this guy who spoke [don't remember his name...]. He was a Christian Comedian/Speaker. Well, after an entertaining testimony of his childhood and growing up, he started to get a little 'preachy'. I sat there and, in my head, basically picked his message apart, almost everything he said caused Scriptures to poor into my head, me thinking, well that's not true because this verse says this, and so on and so on... A few times I said stuff out loud and my sister just rolled her eyes at me. She's not really for or against my beliefs, as she agrees that 'hell' is just a fear-factor, and free will doesn't make sense... but she doesn't like to "get into all that philosophical stuff" [direct quote].

Then one of Mercy Me's songs were dedicated to the American Soldiers, and I told my sister, how come Christians are supporting and applauding men who kill our enemies, when Jesus says to "love your enemies"?

But the MOST IRONIC and SHOCKING part was when the lead singer was talking about his Dad who had recently passed away. He said that many told him that his dad was looking down on him from Heaven, but he [the singer] didn't believe them because he's never read a Scripture to support that [that's true...], but THEN he says that he believes his Dad has much better things to do like singing praises to his God [Wait, what? Where's the Scripture for that one? I thought he was 'dead'?].

That just about threw me outta my chair! He doesn't believe that people who've died and are in Heaven are looking down on us, because God's Word never says such... which is TRUE... BUT, ...BUT he believes that people who have died, go to Heaven and sing praises to God... which is FALSE, as God's Word never says such! And we have a direct Scripture that proves such:

Psalms 115:17 The dead cannot praise Yah, Nor all those descending into stillness.

*scratches head*  ???


Anyways, sorry, I wasn't planning on this post being so long... Peace, Out

Daywalker.  8)

Astrapho:

--- Quote ---But how can we condemn others, when it is only through GOD opening our own eyes that we have the understanding that we do. GODS ways are not our ways and only he knows the grand plan. NB
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Yes. We're no better than the others still in Babylon, all that we have, we have only through God's grace and not of ourselves. The clay can't form itself.  

Joh 15:5  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Ahah, that reminds me, I hope I don't come off as condemning the Catholic faith. I mean they do a lot of good works and serve the community (I actually went painting poor folks' houses with them last Sunday), and then there's the All is of God thing. But some of the stuff they write...


--- Quote ---But the MOST IRONIC and SHOCKING part was when the lead singer was talking about his Dad who had recently passed away. He said that many told him that his dad was looking down on him from Heaven, but he [the singer] didn't believe them because he's never read a Scripture to support that [that's true...], but THEN he says that he believes his Dad has much better things to do like singing praises to his God [Wait, what? Where's the Scripture for that one? I thought he was 'dead'?].
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That is so cool.

NoviceBeliever:
This for me ties this topic together with the topic "The Shack"...I had a lovely birthday party last week with some friends.  One of my gifts was a book entitled "Life Together: The Classic Exploration of Christian Community". I have had conversations with the person that gave me this book about coming to this forum and how it has changed my beliefs and how I am growing in my understanding of what GOD is actually teaching us.  Her concern was that I needed a church to feel a sense of "Community" and hence the gift several months later.  What she doesn't realize is that I have all the community I need here and more importantly with my relationship with GOD. There is much information (if you can call it that) that is out there to deceive people.  This is not the first "gift" I have been given in this regard ("90 Minutes in Heaven") which has also given me that icky feeling.  But for me it is just a way to strengthen me in my belief that I am on the right track.  I can't tell you how many books I have on my shelves of self help, enlightment, blah, blah, blah...that I have yet to read and will probably just throw in the trash. All is of HIM! NB

cjwood:

--- Quote from: Astrapho on August 05, 2009, 10:28:25 AM ---
I'm still in Catholicism (Although in name only), and I'm still under the Confirmation.


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in defense of astropho, she is only 15 yrs. old and is still under the authority of her earthly father, so it is apparent that when he says she must attend the catholic services that she is obligated to do so. she has told him in the past that she did not want to go to church with him but, it seems, to me at least, that she must go. i could be wrong on this astropho, and if i am i apologize.

love in Christ,
claudia

arion:
Except for the grace of God goeth I!!

The pope just made a decision that all who partake of communion are now commanded to kneel to receive it and to have the host placed on the tongue.  Some devout Catholics on a forum I'm a part of have been wagging their tongues over Vatacan II and what they perceive to be apostacy.  One of these posters who is a priest made a comment and another poster followed up with this.


--- Quote --- Originally Posted by rodeorector  View Post
It would be impossible to enforce this. Since the apostacy of Vatican II not only were beautiful sanctuaries decimated to the point that they are devoid of an Altar, Tabernacle, or Communion Rail, the number of vocations to the priesthood have plummeted to the point where S.L.A.P. (Sunday Liturgy in the Absence of a Priest) is the major Sunday service in many parishes.
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A post in response to what the Priest just said


--- Quote ---You're right rodeorector. I have seen some beautiful older churches destroyed to come into what they thought was compliance with Vatican II. Solid marble communion rails ripped out. Jesus being placed into a closet somewhere off to the side. Main alters being relegated to just holding an occasional floral bouquet at a wedding. Some of the more modernly designed churches would not even have a place to kneel at communion let alone a communion rail.
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It takes a lot to impress me but this underlined portion did it.

And another poster said;


--- Quote ---Here in Los Angeles, Mahoney continues to demand that we "stand in unity" for communion. I have gotten into tug-o-wars over the kneeler with folks when, after the "Agnus Dei", I go to kneel again and they, wishing to obey Mahoney, put their foot against the kneeler to prevent me from bringing it down again. (I now keep to the back of the place in order to get my own kneeler)

I am pleased to note tho' that at my main church, the will of the traditionals have carried through. Before, one had to try and guess which side would be the "priest side" for communion, (he never picked the same line twice), or try to jump to the priest line thus earning the hissed scorn of the female Eurcharistic ministers who would scold people who did that.

Now the priest stands center, flanked by the female Eurcharistic ministers and a lot of folks make a beeline for the priest line including me.

Call me old fashioned, I simply believe that the body of our Lord should be delivered via his priest and no one else.
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Astounding, isn't it?  I know that I am no better than these people but when I read things like this it makes me appreciate even more what I've been given as I have read God's truth that we find on this particular website.

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