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kill the body and destroy the soul??
lauriellen:
well, i read the entire thread again (twice), really s-l-o-w-l-y ;), and i completely understand the last half about who can kill both body and soul, that makes sense, body and soul are one....i understand all about gehenna, ect....
BUT considering that Ray explained that there is absolutely NO SOUL without a body, i am still just not getting the first half of the scripture that it is POSSIBLE to kill the body but not the soul. BUT, i will keep reading it until it makes sense.
Kat:
Hi Lauriellen,
I think these additional excerpts will help your understanding on this.
http://bible-truths.com/hagee1.htm ---------------------------
Look carefully at what Jesus really said in Matt. 10:28:
"And do not fear those who are killing the body, yet are not able to kill the soul. Yet be fearing him, rather, Who is able to destroy the soul as well as the body in Gehenna."
Jesus said not to fear those who can "kill," but rather fear Him [Jesus Christ] who is able to destroy the soul as well as the body in Gehenna. The first part of the verse is man's operation, but the second part of the verse is God's. Men have no jurisdiction over the soul. All they can do is kill the body. But God can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.
Man consists of a body which, when God imparts His spirit to it, becomes a living soul. The soul is the result of the combination of body and spirit. There is "soul" only as long as God's spirit unites with the body. At death, God takes back His spirit and the "soul" goes to the unseen (or imperceptible). Hades in Greek or Sheol in Hebrew are not geographical locations, but rather a condition.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html ---------------------------
THE RELIGION OF CONTRADICTIONS AND SQUARE CIRCLES
I have said for many years that Christendom is a religion of contradictions and square circles. Do you think I jest?
Jesus Himself acknowledged that He believed the Truth of these statements in Ezekiel 18 when He taught:
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in gehenna" (Matt. 10:28).
IMMORTAL SOUL?
I am now going to show you how to be smarter and more knowledgeable than most theologians in the world—(at least in this one little point). Okay; follow very closely, for we are going to get really really technical for a few minutes:
First: Can God "destroy the body?" Well, yes, of course He can, Jesus just said that He "is ABLE." So God "IS able to destroy the body." Now, I believe Jesus. I think that most of you believe Jesus. But, do orthodox pastors and theologians, believe Jesus? Yes, from all that I know, they do believe Jesus on this point.
Next: Can God "destroy the soul?" Well, yes, of course He can, Jesus just said that He "is ABLE." So God "IS able to destroy the soul." Now, I believe Jesus. I think that (some of) you believe Jesus. But, do orthodox pastors and theologians, believe Jesus? No, of course not. How can a soul which they teach is immortal, ever be "destroyed?" Now let’s proceed to some more "technical stuff":
God created humanity in two stages, not three (Gen. 2:7):
[1] "And the Lord God formed man [Heb: ‘adam, a human being’] of the dust [Heb: ‘aphar, powdered gray, hence clay’] of the ground [Heb: ‘adamah, soil’]
[2] "and breathed into his nostrils the breath [Heb: ‘n’shahmah, puff, wind’] of life [Heb: ‘chay, alive, life, living’] and man became [Heb: ‘hayah, exist, be, become, come to pass’] a living [Heb: ‘chay, alive, life, living’] soul [Heb: ‘nephesh, a breathing creature, animal, vitality, mind, mortality’]."
Well, there you have it: God’s abbreviated version of how He created humanity.
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It was the breath of life from God that caused the man to become a living soul. God didn’t put a soul into Adam; Adam is a living soul. The spirit of man, which God gives to every human, is like a light switch—Switch it ‘on’ and the light glows: Switch it ‘off’ and the light is dark, gone, dead. Put the spirit in the man, and the man is a living soul: take the spirit out of the man, and the man is a dead soul.
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God can bring back the person in any "body" He desires. When God puts your "spirit" (not you soul) but your spirit (which has no consciousness) back into another body (as in a resurrection with a new spiritual body), the same real person/soul will live again. God can do this, but man can’t, so fear God.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
lauriellen:
i know this is an old thread, but i just wanted to let you know that after over a year of meditation (& reading really slowly ;) ) today, something 'clicked' inside of me and i think i finally do truely understand this verse. it was the following phrase that jumped out at me today:
"The first part of the verse is man's operation, but the second part of the verse is God's. Men have no jurisdiction over the soul. All they can do is kill the body. But God can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
God is patient & very good. =)
lilitalienboi16:
Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [BODY], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Psalm 146:4 "His breath [SPIRIT] goeth forth [BACK TO GOD], he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish"
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
SOUL = BODY + SPIRIT
Remove either one of these and the SOUL is DEAD! However if God if God returns the spirit back to the body then the SOUL is REVIVED.
Ezekiel Chapter 37 really shows this process well with Isreal being brought back to life but heres an excerpt.
Ez 37:5-14 "Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:"
And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD
I know this is an old thread, but i just felt like chiming in xD
God bless,
Alex
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