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9440geoff:
Hi Darren,

I find the word 'soul' extremely difficult to describe, but Ray's teaching that Marques posted above is brilliant.


--- Quote ---I thought the word soul is just another word for person or body.
--- End quote ---
It seems to me that 'soul' in the OT Hebrew nephesh (Strongs H5315) is often used to refer to a person or body, whereas in the NT Greek psuché (Strongs G5590) 'soul' often refers to something within us. I believe that our soul is a part of our consciousness very close to our spirit because Heb 4:12 says " For the word of God is living and operative, and keen above any two-edged sword, and penetrating up to the parting of soul and spirit, both of the articulations and marrow, and is a judge of the sentiments and thoughts of the heart."
CLV.

Geoff

Marky Mark:
Just a little more added dimension[simplistic version] to what a soul is. Rays response to the soul question via email. Hope this helps some.  :)


http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,240.0.html

Dear Waylan:

    It is true that we all speak of "THE soul" as if there is a separate entity inside of our body that is called "the soul."  Not true. Without the spirit there is NO SOUL. Without the body there is NO SOUL.  Take a blue piece if transparent plastic or cellophane. Place it half way over a same size piece of yellow cellophane. You will have blue on one side, yellow on the other, and GREEN in the middle. The blue is the body, the yellow is the spirit, and the GREEN IS THE SOUL.  Notice that there is NO SOUL without the blue body and the yellow spirit. Separate the blue and yellow cellophane and the GREEN soul disappears. This is exactly how the human soul must be combined with a body and spirit, or IT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. They are very closely related and appear to overlap, but there are distinction between soul and spirit. Understood?  Good.

    God be with you,

    Ray



Waylan
You have to get out of out if your head the idea that the spirit soul and body are "separate entities" as if they could function independently of each other.  Remember my TV analogy of six years ago?  The console is the body, the picture is the soul, and the electricity is the spirit. Yes, they are "entities," if you will that have distinct names, and functions, but none of them produces anything independent of each other. Smash the console and you have not soul (picture). Pull the plug and you have not soul (picture). 
Likewise remove the spirit, and the body dies. Remove the spirit and the soul disappears. Smash the body and the soul disappears. The soul IS THE SENTIENT man. The emotional, thinking, conscious man. This consciousness is called "soul."  It is not a thing that can literally travel or go somewhere independent of the body and brain. That is why it is said in the Greek Scriptures that at death the soul goes to hades. Hades means the unseen, the emperceptible, unconsciousness.
It take spirit from God in a body to give it live, which life is then called "a LIVING SOUL."
It tkes a little meditation to understand these concepts.

God be with you,
Ray





Peace...Mark

ez2u:
One thing I would like to add here and not taking anything away from the ladies that study too, is this: this is the first time I have every seen such a large group of men
that are taking serious the Word of God.  Being active to bring forth and do some serious explanation.   It's very resonating in my soul.  Being a women and a feminist
( by that I mean i support women in their struggles ) I find this very refreshing and encouraging,  Thank you peggy

lauriellen:
please bare with me on this (i am a "newbie"), but i would really like to understand this scripture....
reading this thread, in particular, about fearing those who can "kill the body but can not kill the soul"
this is the part i am stuck on.  Ray says without a body, there is no soul, ...
so if they kill the body, they would "also" be killing the soul, wouldn't they? so why did he take the time to make a distinction about "killing the body and soul" as if they can be killed seperately?
can someone explain this for me? i am just not getting it.......sorry....
(i am blonde too, that doesn't help....lol)

cjwood:
hi lauriellen,
actually, i don't think it can be answered any more plainly than ray did in the excerpt from his lake of fire series that marques (mharrell08) posted. eventhough you are blonde, you should be able to read through that excerpt, r---e---a---l---l---y   s----l----o----w----l----y  ;D, and get a clear understanding of what this scripture is talking about.

claudia

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