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A seemingly stupid question
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: yudonsay on September 14, 2009, 04:16:16 PM ---Thanks for the greetings it is nice to be here.
There are some patient people on this forum so I will say it -- none of your explanations really helped. Do not reply for my sake, this kind of thing has happenend before with concepts far more challenging, things I have no issue with understanding give friends and family cause to question both my heads. I am either not seeing the forest because of all the trees in the way or am working to hard to see something that is far more simple ? ? ? Whatever, it'll come to me. It just takes time.
Akira329: My thoughts are like this, Jesus' death/sacrifice is what ultimately saves us all regardless when (how and why ??). Following a path of moral excellence cannot save you if you are not both called and chosen (most churches actually teach this literally). Unless you are called and chosen following any prescribed methodology can only give us temporal gain at best. Anything other than this would mean that all religions would have basis and value to actually find God and acquire salvation through our hard work of carefully following a morally correct, Godly life. The classic saved by works doctrine is based on similar ideas.
I am not asking how or why he is the perfect sacrifice but how or why any sacrifice at all is required, how can my life be spared because he died what is he accepting that should be on me. As I understand it all will go through judgement and none are spared this. All must be taught to believe and obey and acquire righteousness through the same, even Jesus did this. So this sacrifice does/did what? I read the scriptures a thousand times and still am wondering. I can see a sacrifice, correct me if I am off, as God's son now leaving his estate safe and secure as he should be to become human and showing us a path/way/life of gentleness and wisdom following this even when extreme discomfort and a shortened life were threatened especially for not doing anything wrong. This by any standards would be a sacrifice. If this is it then tell me, if I am missing something tell me.
Wonderment: I feel for you bud, I am still there. Don't stop asking and seeking.
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Yudonsay,
On one hand you say 'it'll come to me' then on the other you say 'if I'm missing something, tell me'...which is it?
The members here have given you ample reasons with multiple scriptural witnesses...now if you don't understand, they may not be because the members here 'could not help you'.
Perhaps it would be wise to spend more time reading & studying the scriptures with Ray's teachings while WAITING on the Lord to give you more understanding. There's no point to have members go over all these scriptures while you simply state 'I don't get it' while giving the same unscriptural point which basically demeans the sacrifice of Christ.
We understand you don't get it, but no one here can open one's eyes spiritually...that is a gift from God.
Marques
daywalker:
--- Quote from: yudonsay on September 13, 2009, 08:00:03 PM ---wonderment, good question. I would also like to know the same. The answers so far are the regular stuff I get from pastors and others that I ask. Quoting scriptures with explanations that still do not tell me the necessity or value (as apposed to say, Jesus deciding not to go through with his death) of dieing. I would understand this as an example only, a statement of the passion God has for us to set up such an example for us to follow as a standard of excellence necessary for us to be called righteous but this would be problematic with being saved by works. Stating he died for my sin is a quote and I see the obvious correlation to the sacrificial laws but still do not see the necessity of any person dieing to remove anything. The animals paid for nothing, they were for an example, prophecy and staging of what was to take place with Jesus. Except for the Israelites obedience to the laws the animals and sacrifices did nothing, there blood was of no value to forgive or remove any sins. Why would God require Jesus' blood? How does this material or act rescind my Sin?
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Simple Answer:
Because that's how God decided to do it.
Daywalker 8)
legoman:
Yes, that's how God decided to do it. And I think the main point I'm seeing here is this:
God decided to do it this way because it demonstrates God's love for mankind.
God's love is the greatest love of all, and there is no greater love than to sacrifice yourself for another, so what could be greater than sacrificing yourself for all mankind? That is the greatest love possible.
That is why God did it this way, so we would know how much He loves us.
cheekie3:
What a great question; and a multitude of Scriptural witnesses to show that the reason God decided to do it this way is to SHOW that He really does LOVE us ALL. cheekie3.
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