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The term "spiritualize away"
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---When children, we are still yet carnal, unable to discern anything spiritual. But we do indeed grow from speaking as a child to becoming a man in Christ.
Peace
Daniel
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I will admit that we do grow from speaking as child to becoming a man of Christ; however, I must digress on the carnal mind of a child. :)
Daniel, what do you think Jesus meant when he admonished his followers, by saying:Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.[/list:u]As you eluded to:Rom 1:20 For the invisible (spiritual) things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [/list:u]I'm not sure that now I am older, that there are not more trees in the way of the forest than there was as a child. I know I do not have the trust of a child; oh I trust God, but not without analyzing and weighing everything. Somehow, that doesn't seem right.
Am I the only one that feels like this........
Love in Christ,
YellowStone
love_magnified:
The aspect of children that Christ wants to come to him is trust and obedience.
But don't forget, God is a rewarder of them who diligently seek. The scripture says that it is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter. God conceals things by using the things which are made as metaphors for what he is doing before our carnal, blinded eyes. So children must grow. God does want us to come to him as willing children, but he wants us to also mature into men and women of God - no longer needing the school teacher of the visible, but able to see the spirit within and willing to risk being wrong if only to crave more of his truths.
Daniel:
--- Quote from: YellowStone ---
--- Quote from: Daniel ---When children, we are still yet carnal, unable to discern anything spiritual. But we do indeed grow from speaking as a child to becoming a man in Christ.
Peace
Daniel
--- End quote ---
I will admit that we do grow from speaking as child to becoming a man of Christ; however, I must digress on the carnal mind of a child. :)
Daniel, what do you think Jesus meant when he admonished his followers, by saying:Mar 10:14 But when Jesus saw [it], he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.[/list:u]As you eluded to:Rom 1:20 For the invisible (spiritual) things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [/list:u]I'm not sure that now I am older, that there are not more trees in the way of the forest than there was as a child. I know I do not have the trust of a child; oh I trust God, but not without analyzing and weighing everything. Somehow, that doesn't seem right.
Am I the only one that feels like this........
Love in Christ,
YellowStone
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The humility Jesus was pointing out in a Child?
Mathew 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Children is used in various places expressing different things as far as I can see.
I can't speak for others Yellow. They, yourself, or anyone might not desire to weigh and compare or search these things out. That might not be in them or given to desire to do that. Thats ok by me. I seek out that in others because I truly do love to.
I find great satisfaction in doing just this very thing. Proving Jesus Christ, and those things which pertain to Him. Moreso a reasoning "out of the book" of the very life that lives in us. The scriptures testify of Him, but they are not Him. They are Gods words which speak of "the" word made flesh (Him) who is the Truth of them. He is the very Voice of Gods words, who comes to give us understanding and God says hear ye Him. So I do find a desire in me to do that. Not just in writing or studying or having "answers" but walking in the truth (in Him). To me it always comes back to walking in love as He teaches me. Even Paul said He needn't say anything to them on that for God would teach them in this very thing.
To me His words are life, I find perfection even in these comparisons. These things which bear witness not only to Him in the book, but Him in us. You can watch the truth of His words around you. Take your eyes off the page and look up and discern about you. I needn't another scripture to convince me of Him. The scriptures come to life through His light. The hearing of them comes through the one who gives us ears to hear. He is our sight, our truth, and our very life. He is so many things signified in the book. The reality however is Christ in us.
This book for nearly 20 years has been my only source of reading. He changes the way you read it, the depth He adds to it is nothing short of amazing to me. The more I learn the less I know yet the more I know of Him. A very strange turn over as much as there is paradoxes in the book so also are they the same of us. I am a believer in the revalation of Him getting bigger to us. Him surpassing knowledge in the dawning realization of His immeasurable love. I'm excited over this glorious thought Yellow.
Yellow I have been in the place of not seeing the forest through the trees. I remember that well. I have prayed to walls (I wished weren't there) for years. I had been torn down by others. I have helped beat up others. I have thought I knew something, and not known as I ought. I have hated not having all the answers. I have been decieved and stupid. I had no hope, then thought I did and I lost my hope. I did not know what my hope truly was anyway. I had also shipwrecked my faith and learned later not to do that. I exhausted myself silly and to my wits end.
Till I learned to pray to Him and not to walls. To receive mercy and give it to others. To help others and not beat them up. To not be wise in my own conceits, and to love my questions and refuse the answers :lol: To trust no man but let Him teach me to love toward all men. To rely heavily upon Him who gives me understanding. To keep a good conscience and know who my hope and faith are simply in Him
More then you wanted, but I am rather longwinded Yellow. I can't say I share the same thought concerning comparing and weighing scripture. I think we all have seen what happens when one does not. Either way, I would never trust another to weigh for me that which my own hands desire to handle for myself.
Why settle for secondhand when firsthand is much better. Mary chose the better part and it was not at the feet at another. Just how I see it.
Peace
Daniel
Daniel:
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---The aspect of children that Christ wants to come to him is trust and obedience.
But don't forget, God is a rewarder of them who diligently seek. The scripture says that it is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter. God conceals things by using the things which are made as metaphors for what he is doing before our carnal, blinded eyes. So children must grow. God does want us to come to him as willing children, but he wants us to also mature into men and women of God - no longer needing the school teacher of the visible, but able to see the spirit within and willing to risk being wrong if only to crave more of his truths.
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That was beautifully put Love_Magnified :D its not having the right answers (even all knowledge) its in knowing Him who is the Truth. All about knowing Him, our hope of eternal life is that very same thing.
The verse of God concealing something was the very verse that egged me onward to search, He sure wasn't lying :lol:
Peace
Daniel
YellowStone:
LoveMagnified & Daniel,
Great responses from you both :)
Both responses align very well with the following parable which Jesus used to indicate the importance of seeking continuously.
Luk 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
Luk 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this [man] to reign over us.
Luk 19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
Luk 19:16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
Luk 19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
Luk 19:18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
Luk 19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
Luk 19:20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, [here is] thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
Luk 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
Luk 19:22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, [thou] wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
Luk 19:23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
Luk 19:24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give [it] to him that hath ten pounds.
Luk 19:25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
Luk 19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. [/list:u]Jesus here uses a wonderful example of not spiritualizing away the scripture. It is not enough to just read, digest and shelve scriptural knowledge. Our faith is spiritual, but it is as Daniel put it:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---To me His words are life, I find perfection even in these comparisons. These things which bear witness not only to Him in the book, but Him in us. You can watch the truth of His words around you. Take your eyes off the page and look up and discern about you. I needn't another scripture to convince me of Him. The scriptures come to life through His light. The hearing of them comes through the one who gives us ears to hear. He is our sight, our truth, and our very life. He is so many things signified in the book. The reality however is Christ in us.
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The Word became flesh and likewise our spirituality must too be earthed, for any attempt to dematerialize the spiritual (wrapping in a napkin) is pointless and in vein, for all Scripture has physical application.
But this is not to say that the promise of the Kingdom will be brought forward in this earthly age. Doing so is to totally contradict the scripture and of the promise to come.
So we must diligently and continuously seek out the truth and the promise; learn from it and then growing to maturity by living and applying all that we have learned, just as LoveMagnified mentioned:Pro 25:2 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.[/list:u]Anything less is spiritulizing away the scripture.
Thanks to both of you for such fine responses. :)
God is love, and love abounds everywhere.
YellowStone
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